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After being at songwriting for many years, I recently decided to get serious again - get current and marketable with my tunes. I had a couple tunes I was already working on when I bought Robin Frederick's hit songwriting shortcuts book. As I'm reading her book, now after about every 5 or so shortcuts, I decide to re-write my song! :lol:

I typically do several lyric re-writes as a general rule. Sometimes what reads well doesn't sing well, etc. This time, I'm thinking I would rather re-write the tunes now, rather than go back after I've spent the time mixing and mastering them only to re-write them anyway.

I think it's kind of funny because in one sense, I want to get the tunes out and build my catalog, but on the other hand, I'd rather have fewer really good songs than be prolific with songs that would be good only if...

Bottom line is that with each re-write, the tunes are actually improving and I think that's what really matters. I'm aware, and guilty of the "fussing" stage of writing/producing and I fight that--but in reality, with each re-write I think the songs are actually getting better and better.

I think once I've finished the book, the next song I write will come a lot easier because I will start them off with a working knowledge of what sounds good and works in today's market, rather than having to retool something that didn't.

Thanks for letting me share. :D

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Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:30 am
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Thanks for sharing!
Makes me think I should read that book. One of my problems is after I write my "final" version, sometimes I fall in love with it. Then it's hard to change it! What I do is I force myself to revise any parts that I think are not totally strong, of course keeping both versions. I tell myself that I can decide later which version I like better, nothing to lose. I almost always end up liking the newer version better! It's a weird process. It's like having a baby that's just a little bit ugly. You love the baby so much that you wouldn't change it for the world, and yet...sure, it would be great if your baby were better looking.


Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:22 am
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JeSsiCaRaTz wrote:
Thanks for sharing!
Makes me think I should read that book. One of my problems is after I write my "final" version, sometimes I fall in love with it. Then it's hard to change it! What I do is I force myself to revise any parts that I think are not totally strong, of course keeping both versions. I tell myself that I can decide later which version I like better, nothing to lose. I almost always end up liking the newer version better! It's a weird process. It's like having a baby that's just a little bit ugly. You love the baby so much that you wouldn't change it for the world, and yet...sure, it would be great if your baby were better looking.



I recommend the book. You may not need or use 100% of it, but it is definitly worth it.

BTW--I thought mothers always thought their babaies were cute!

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Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:25 pm
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Razor7Music wrote:
After being at songwriting for many years, I recently decided to get serious again - get current and marketable with my tunes. I had a couple tunes I was already working on when I bought Robin Frederick's hit songwriting shortcuts book. As I'm reading her book, now after about every 5 or so shortcuts, I decide to re-write my song! :lol:

I typically do several lyric re-writes as a general rule. Sometimes what reads well doesn't sing well, etc. This time, I'm thinking I would rather re-write the tunes now, rather than go back after I've spent the time mixing and mastering them only to re-write them anyway.

I think it's kind of funny because in one sense, I want to get the tunes out and build my catalog, but on the other hand, I'd rather have fewer really good songs than be prolific with songs that would be good only if...

Bottom line is that with each re-write, the tunes are actually improving and I think that's what really matters. I'm aware, and guilty of the "fussing" stage of writing/producing and I fight that--but in reality, with each re-write I think the songs are actually getting better and better.

I think once I've finished the book, the next song I write will come a lot easier because I will start them off with a working knowledge of what sounds good and works in today's market, rather than having to retool something that didn't.

Thanks for letting me share. :D


That's an awesome attitude. I think you're so right about how the rewrites you're doing now will help make your later songs come easier. Great stuff. Thanks for posting :)

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Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:43 pm
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"That's an awesome attitude. I think you're so right about how the rewrites you're doing now will help make your later songs come easier. Great stuff. Thanks for posting :)"


Hey thanks. Us songwriters need outside encouragement as much as we can get it!

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Hi Stephen.

I like your perspective on this.

I'm in the "Quality over Quantity" camp myself. And I've heard that if you focus on Quality, the Quantity will follow.

Thanks for your post.

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good thread.

a guitar teacher of mine impressed on me the difference between depth (skill) and breadth (repertoire) - this was concerning playing jazz.

focussing on breadth first means you can play lots of songs, but non of them at a very deep level.

but focussing on depth means that you become incredibly skillful at playing one song. Its easier to apply that to other songs later.

I see a lot of parallels between that and writing / production. The depth is acquiring those deep objective hearing / listening / editing skills which I think everything is then built off of. If you don't hear it / realize it, its hard to do anything about it (or even know where to start).

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Razor7Music wrote:

Hey thanks. Us songwriters need outside encouragement as much as we can get it!


Definitely! :)

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After many many years of songwriting and recording, I thought my stuff would blend well in today's market. It did in the past and I have multiple publications. After my break and coming back into the fold, I discovered my "Progressive" style of rock and Intros no longer apply. Generous lead sections and cool rifs went out the door as well. So, I bought the book "shortcuts...." and read articles from music Library owners. I Also examined very closely the songs behind TV/Radio commercials. It turns out I need to completely revamp my style. Not a big deal.

"The never ending Re-Write" When recording a song, I've learned over the years to sit with the tune for weeks, playing different arrangements. Trying different vocal harmony's and wording, polishing the parts, all before laying down one track. When tracking time comes, I lay down a basic drum pattern for 4 minutes. Then I record what I've worked on for weeks and finally lay down the final drum track. It takes longer doing it my way but I very rarely ever have to go back and re-record a different arrangement.

My 2 cents as always


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