Thanks to 396 but a slight rebuttal - other opinions welcome
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Thanks to 396 but a slight rebuttal - other opinions welcome
First, I really do appreciate the time reviewers give to explaining returns, especially when they point out weaknesses and strengths. The parts of my piece Waitin At The Syncopation Station were heard by the reviewer to be "out of sync" with each other. Specifically the piano part with the other instruments. I don't hear this. As you might expect, the rhythm is very syncopated but it was kept loose on purpose. I'd appreciate others reactions. I guess I'll just have to plead artistic license on this one, or maybe the old software developer rejoinder that it's not a bug, its a feature. . Here's the link.
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Great song. I do hear the syncopation you mentioned.
Perhaps the reviewer just wanted it a bit tighter than the loose feel you currently have.
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Perhaps the reviewer just wanted it a bit tighter than the loose feel you currently have.
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Re: Thanks to 396 but a slight rebuttal - other opinions wel
Hey Bob, can you include the listing?
A good tune doesn't always justify a forward!
Needs to meet the listing criteria first and foremost.
Without the listing, all I can say is...
It's a very nice piece!
Well Done!
Cass
A good tune doesn't always justify a forward!
Needs to meet the listing criteria first and foremost.
Without the listing, all I can say is...
It's a very nice piece!
Well Done!
Cass
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Thanks Cass. I should have posted the listing earlier. The reviewer didn't seem to have a problem with the appropriateness of the piece, it was the "out of sync" that was the issue.
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Hi Bob,
It's a cool piece - great for a quirky scene or a 'mock-up' silent movie type thing.
I get that you are going for 'a bit loose', but to my ears, the bass part (pizzicato) gets a bit ahead of everything else in places - especially from 0.30 to 1.00. It seems to settle back in the groove after that... maybe that's what the screener is hearing, and it distracted by that rather than hearing the piece..?
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It's a cool piece - great for a quirky scene or a 'mock-up' silent movie type thing.
I get that you are going for 'a bit loose', but to my ears, the bass part (pizzicato) gets a bit ahead of everything else in places - especially from 0.30 to 1.00. It seems to settle back in the groove after that... maybe that's what the screener is hearing, and it distracted by that rather than hearing the piece..?
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Re: Thanks to 396 but a slight rebuttal - other opinions wel
That's a really cool piece as far as textures and sounds.
Couple things I feel (an opinion - take with salt if needed):
I agree that its a bit rhythmically loose - so the question is when you are multi-tracking something by yourself "is this the kind of loose that an ensemble would do in a live recording?" or, "is the kind of loose that sounds out of time?". I think you would agree we shoot for the former, but often end up with the latter. As these kind of pieces are minimal - something has to keep a steady pulse. Is that the bass? the piano? both? Something has to be the reference by which you hear all the other parts in relation. I hear the piano part and the bass part roaming around with respect to the pulse.
Second thought - this is TV music, and if its way more complex than the star of the show (dialogue) then its either going to be pulled way down in level so it doesn't compete, or it will be passed over if there is something more straight forward in the editors available music, and so its possible that its a little rhythmically complex as well as being slightly out of time. How many parts can you keep track of at the same time? One, two?, Three maybe, especially if one of those is percussion. Beyond that?
If it were me, I would thin out the parts a little, concentrate more on doubles and octaves of existing melodies and parts rather than adding new parts to keep it developing, and tighten things up a lot rhythmically. Then keep it on the shelf for a similar opportunity or to pitch to a publisher if you already have connections (or will get them).
Couple things I feel (an opinion - take with salt if needed):
I agree that its a bit rhythmically loose - so the question is when you are multi-tracking something by yourself "is this the kind of loose that an ensemble would do in a live recording?" or, "is the kind of loose that sounds out of time?". I think you would agree we shoot for the former, but often end up with the latter. As these kind of pieces are minimal - something has to keep a steady pulse. Is that the bass? the piano? both? Something has to be the reference by which you hear all the other parts in relation. I hear the piano part and the bass part roaming around with respect to the pulse.
Second thought - this is TV music, and if its way more complex than the star of the show (dialogue) then its either going to be pulled way down in level so it doesn't compete, or it will be passed over if there is something more straight forward in the editors available music, and so its possible that its a little rhythmically complex as well as being slightly out of time. How many parts can you keep track of at the same time? One, two?, Three maybe, especially if one of those is percussion. Beyond that?
If it were me, I would thin out the parts a little, concentrate more on doubles and octaves of existing melodies and parts rather than adding new parts to keep it developing, and tighten things up a lot rhythmically. Then keep it on the shelf for a similar opportunity or to pitch to a publisher if you already have connections (or will get them).
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Re: Thanks to 396 but a slight rebuttal - other opinions wel
The bass is not used in it's traditional role.
Avant-garde.
And traditionally, avant-garde isn't always readily acceptable.
Avant-garde.
And traditionally, avant-garde isn't always readily acceptable.
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Thanks to all for their comments and suggestions. Great to have many ears available.
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