"Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

We're putting YOU in the drivers seat!

Moderators: admin, mdc, TAXIstaff

JDM
Impressive
Impressive
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by JDM » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:32 pm

Thanks, Casey! If you were me and wanted to find a collaborator, what would you do?

Best!

John

Casey H
King of the World
King of the World
Posts: 12287
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:22 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by Casey H » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:42 pm

JDM wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Thanks, Casey! If you were me and wanted to find a collaborator, what would you do?

Best!

John
Well definitely ask here on the forum. No guarantees, especially not quickly enough for this listing. Also, longer term, the road rally is a great place to meet people and build collaborative relationships.

One thing you could do is get the chords/melody in good shape even if midi and then bring that to a collaborator to use live instruments and quality samples. I think in this case, your melody and tempo need to be more energetic and surf-rock-ish. So working on that such that the ONLY issue is sound quality would be a good start IMHO.

Also, are you willing to pay a work for hire fee to get your track recorded? Just throwing that out as another option once you get the music in shape.

Best,
Casey

JDM
Impressive
Impressive
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by JDM » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 pm

Casey,

I am new to Taxi and this end of the music business in general, so please bear with me in my efforts to educate myself. That said, with all the competition that "hits the hopper" at Taxi, how can an investment that involves paying individual musicians ever pencil out?

Do you happen to know any percentages and/or stats on just what the overall picture looks like?

What has been your personal experience?

My "long suit" seems to be the ability to "crank it out." I CAN spend a few bucks if the risks make financial sense.

Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

John

ttully
Committed Musician
Committed Musician
Posts: 723
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:42 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by ttully » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:24 pm

Hi John,

I can't speak for Casey.... but accurate stats on this type of thing are very hard to come by.
Everyone is completely different!
What works for one person may not work for someone else.

Remember.... you could collaborate with some other musicians and they could get a percentage of the sync fees and royalties.... If you do not want to pay upfront for their service.


I figure it's like trying to win the Indianapolis 500.... 'Well, I've got this Toyota Camry.... it's pretty fast.... BUT If you want to compete with the BIG BOYS... ya gotta buy a real race car!!!.. and that will cost a lot of money... and you still may not win...
but at least now ...you have a better chance!


My 8,000,000 cents worth,
Tim

JDM
Impressive
Impressive
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by JDM » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:30 pm

Thanks, Buddy!

cosmicdolphin
Serious Musician
Serious Musician
Posts: 1128
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:46 pm
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by cosmicdolphin » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:07 am

JDM wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 pm
how can an investment that involves paying individual musicians ever pencil out?
It likely won't IMHO, you have to write a lot of high quality music to get into Libraries to get any placements. Even the successful folks say that it's around 20% of their catalog that generates the majority of the income so 80% may be sat gathering virtual dust. Paying someone else to play on your cue is no guarantee of anything.

If you can find someone willing to collab and split anything that may come down the pipe later then great but OTOH a good guitarist can just as easily write their own cue.

At this stage you are probably better off making tracks where you do everything yourself ( keys based ? ) and getting those to a standard where they are regularly getting forwarded for opportunities, then with a bit of luck Library deals will follow..the the hard work REALLY starts.

Mark

Casey H
King of the World
King of the World
Posts: 12287
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:22 pm
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by Casey H » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:51 am

JDM wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 pm
Casey,

I am new to Taxi and this end of the music business in general, so please bear with me in my efforts to educate myself. That said, with all the competition that "hits the hopper" at Taxi, how can an investment that involves paying individual musicians ever pencil out?

Do you happen to know any percentages and/or stats on just what the overall picture looks like?

What has been your personal experience?

My "long suit" seems to be the ability to "crank it out." I CAN spend a few bucks if the risks make financial sense.

Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

John
If you pay for production on all your tracks, becoming profitable as a whole isn't really possible.

So to clarify, a few tracts you can take:

Use some paid WFH in parallel to you learning how to do it yourself as a way to get in the game and build relationships.

Collab with folks who can do the play/production for a 50/50 split of the ownership. MANY of us do that all the time. If you send a really good idea to a potential collaborator, they are often willing.

Relationships with other songwriters/composers is the most important thing for so many reasons. They can help you learn tricks of the trade to make better productions yourself. They can be collaborators. They can teach you about the business.

Go to the road rally. I can't think of any better way to meet and build relationships with other songwriters/composers. It totally changed my musical life as it did for so many others.

Best of luck!
:D Casey

cassmcentee
Serious Musician
Serious Musician
Posts: 2891
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:40 am
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by cassmcentee » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:53 am

Casey's Advice = +1

JDM
Impressive
Impressive
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by JDM » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:41 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:07 am
JDM wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 pm
how can an investment that involves paying individual musicians ever pencil out?
It likely won't IMHO, you have to write a lot of high quality music to get into Libraries to get any placements. Even the successful folks say that it's around 20% of their catalog that generates the majority of the income so 80% may be sat gathering virtual dust. Paying someone else to play on your cue is no guarantee of anything.

If you can find someone willing to collab and split anything that may come down the pipe later then great but OTOH a good guitarist can just as easily write their own cue.

At this stage you are probably better off making tracks where you do everything yourself ( keys based ? ) and getting those to a standard where they are regularly getting forwarded for opportunities, then with a bit of luck Library deals will follow..the the hard work REALLY starts.

Mark
Thank you, Brother. Best! John

JDM
Impressive
Impressive
Posts: 206
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 am
Contact:

Re: "Hang Ten" Surf Rock Instrumental

Post by JDM » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:42 am

Casey H wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:51 am
JDM wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 pm
Casey,

I am new to Taxi and this end of the music business in general, so please bear with me in my efforts to educate myself. That said, with all the competition that "hits the hopper" at Taxi, how can an investment that involves paying individual musicians ever pencil out?

Do you happen to know any percentages and/or stats on just what the overall picture looks like?

What has been your personal experience?

My "long suit" seems to be the ability to "crank it out." I CAN spend a few bucks if the risks make financial sense.

Any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

John
If you pay for production on all your tracks, becoming profitable as a whole isn't really possible.

So to clarify, a few tracts you can take:

Use some paid WFH in parallel to you learning how to do it yourself as a way to get in the game and build relationships.

Collab with folks who can do the play/production for a 50/50 split of the ownership. MANY of us do that all the time. If you send a really good idea to a potential collaborator, they are often willing.

Relationships with other songwriters/composers is the most important thing for so many reasons. They can help you learn tricks of the trade to make better productions yourself. They can be collaborators. They can teach you about the business.

Go to the road rally. I can't think of any better way to meet and build relationships with other songwriters/composers. It totally changed my musical life as it did for so many others.

Best of luck!
:D Casey
Thank you for the help, Casey. Best! John

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ricschmitz and 1 guest