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Re: Let's Socialize
Hi Irwin
I have been following this thread with interest. I have a general observation which you might find relevant. Forgive me if I ramble on, but it’s the only way that I can illustrate what I mean.
My point is about tonality. In this song you pretty obviously deliberately set out to ensure that melody and harmony do not combine to produce the normally accepted dissonance and consonance, characteristic of the traditional Western music system. For me, this does not work, not so much because of the sounds themselves, but more because your method seems random: to my ears, this is what creates the disorder. There is no apparent logic in the musical direction. The original movement against tonality, from early last century, was anything but random; in fact, it was highly regulated with strict rules which needed to be followed. That music, though it deliberately avoided traditional tonality, is actually very ordered and logical. It fits the definition of music as ordered sound.
So, in my opinion, if you decide to continue with your general approach, you would need to figure out how to communicate a definite sense of order within the chaos, so to speak, but I believe that this would be an extremely difficult task, and the result might still not appeal to the average listener.
Having said this, you are of course perfectly free to create music as and how you wish, and best of luck in your endeavours. If you decide to make the move to a more traditional sound, then I would suggest that you first look at experimenting/improvising with some basic keyboard harmony, with three-note chords in the right hand. But that is another matter.
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I have been following this thread with interest. I have a general observation which you might find relevant. Forgive me if I ramble on, but it’s the only way that I can illustrate what I mean.
My point is about tonality. In this song you pretty obviously deliberately set out to ensure that melody and harmony do not combine to produce the normally accepted dissonance and consonance, characteristic of the traditional Western music system. For me, this does not work, not so much because of the sounds themselves, but more because your method seems random: to my ears, this is what creates the disorder. There is no apparent logic in the musical direction. The original movement against tonality, from early last century, was anything but random; in fact, it was highly regulated with strict rules which needed to be followed. That music, though it deliberately avoided traditional tonality, is actually very ordered and logical. It fits the definition of music as ordered sound.
So, in my opinion, if you decide to continue with your general approach, you would need to figure out how to communicate a definite sense of order within the chaos, so to speak, but I believe that this would be an extremely difficult task, and the result might still not appeal to the average listener.
Having said this, you are of course perfectly free to create music as and how you wish, and best of luck in your endeavours. If you decide to make the move to a more traditional sound, then I would suggest that you first look at experimenting/improvising with some basic keyboard harmony, with three-note chords in the right hand. But that is another matter.
Cheers
Michael
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I do not think that this is true, because Irwin often asks if his songs could potentially be hits and in his follow-up versions he often thinks he has fixed or identified the problems (which usually is not at all the case). So, no, it is not deliberate from what I observed here over the years.
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Yes, but this is only true if you're not perusing sync licensing or attempting to get artist cuts. The assumption is if you're posting it on Taxi's forum then you have some sort of goal in that general direction.
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Starting to wonder if this is some kind of joke?
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In that case, it would be a multi-year multi-song joke. So, no.
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This is no joke, I am very serious about getting a Taxi cut for I know I have many great songs.
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Sorry Irwin, I didn't intend to offend you!
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That's all well & good but nothing you have presented could be classed as material from either a serious or great song writer.
Most of them sound like very naive attempts I would expect from a complete untrained beginner. So there is a huge disconnect between what you think of the songs Vs what other people do.
We have ascertained it's not because of any hearing / tone deaf issue. So what is making you believe that you have written many great songs when in all honesty they are some of the worst things I've heard ?
Is there something else at play here we are not aware of ? Are you taking any medications that are skewing your judgment ?
16 years is a long time to be on a music forum and still be at beginner level.
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