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Post by Casey H » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:28 am

Hey all... This is a ROUGH, not a production. The song will be produced from the ground up and sound more contemporary. And I thank you in advance for putting up with my singing! :o :roll:

As I'm trying to put the finishing touches on it, 2 lyric things are bothering me:

(1) Pre-chorus
>> We know where we’re gonna be tonight
>> And I will see you in the morning light
I really want something less cliché here, especially for the rhyme... tonight/morning light is up there on the cliché list.

(2) The first 2-3 lines of chorus are bugging me. They don't feel strong enough as far as the passion/desire thing. The 3rd line could change as well to go with a better lines 1-2. Hand holding doesn't feel very "burning" with desire.
>> The hands we hold
>> And the arms we cling to
>> Tell us just what we need
(Am I overanalyzing this one? If I didn't mention it, would you notice?)

Other comments welcome :D but please, not about production, vocal phrasing, etc. since they aren't relevant here. THANKS! :D

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(VERSE)
In the heat of desire
Angry words don’t matter anymore
When the passion burns
We forget about the day before
Deep down inside
We know where we’re gonna be tonight
And I will see you in the morning light


(CHORUS)
The hands we hold
And the arms we cling to
Tell us just what we need

When our two hearts are melting
If we open our eyes
We’ll see
The fire we breathe
The fire we breathe

(VERSE)
We make and break up
Say we’re never gonna do this again
But then gravity pulls
On two bodies that have no control
Over where they go
I know where we’re gonna be tonight
And I will see you in the morning light


(CHORUS)

(BRIDGE)
Sometimes life will take every ounce of energy
Till we think there’s nothing left inside of us at all
But there’s always another time for you and me
When the fire calls us back again for more and more
And more and more

(Instrumental)

(CHORUS)

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Re: Lyric questions

Post by songmaster » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:27 am

Hi Casey

I really like the title and the music feel. " The Fire We Breathe" is really hooky .

The pre-chorus

We know where we are gonna be tonight....I don't mind that line
And I will see you in the morning light...maybe...you're the morining when I open my eyes

Maybe an imperfect rhyme will work like...sky, ly etc.

The first 2 lines of the chorus.

Because I love the " The Fire We Breathe " title...I thought you could delve into that a little more

The love we hold
Gives us stronger wings to
Take us where we should be

And I could be way off the mark as to what you are aiming for :?

Anyway, it's just my 2 cents. I might not have even noticed the lyrics if you didn't point them out. I think the song really flies on it's own and hopefully you will get more feedback from everyone.

Cheers

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Re: Lyric questions

Post by Casey H » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:41 am

Thanks Tom! And congrats on your recent successes!

Yea, I could be overanalyzing it. (Who ME? :lol: )

Best,
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by funsongs » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 am

Interesting questions and word-study, Casey... got my wheels turning.

When you are seeking to express 'desire' - like holding and clinging - to me those could be mistaken for someone in trouble, or being desperate;
where I think you mean to be expressing more of a romantic want, yearning, longing - is that correct? Or even helpful?

Like a 427 Corvette, ready to spring offa the line
My heart wants to lurch forward and make you mine! :? :lol:
Got my foot on the gas, and itchin to lurch
You're my Star, Baby - and I'm ready to Search... :? :lol:
(that's awful...)
Got the handbrake set, and something something something...

(Sorry, Casey... the caffeine just kicked in...) teasin withya some...
have a good day.
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by Casey H » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:44 am

funsongs wrote: When you are seeking to express 'desire' - like holding and clinging - to me those could be mistaken for someone in trouble, or being desperate;
where I think you mean to be expressing more of a romantic want, yearning, longing - is that correct?
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by cassmcentee » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:11 am

Casey H wrote:(1) Pre-chorus
>> We know where we’re gonna be tonight
>> And I will see you in the morning light
We know TONIGHT where we gonna be
In the EARLY LIGHT you're all I will see
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by MSteinmann » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:26 pm

Hi Casey,

I'm new to the forums but thought I'll just write my impressions anyway...

I love the vibe and guitar on this song and really like the melody of the chorus and "the fire we breathe" lyric. Like the others said, it'd probably help to get all the lyrics talking more homogeneously about desire. I feel that "the hands we hold" sounds too romantic, and "the arms we cling to" more afraid than passionate... how about something like "this kiss that burns / and the heat we cling to" or the likes to keep up the fire metaphore?

About the prechorus: I also like the first line which is about anticipating the rendevous ("We know where we're gonna be tonight") but the second line seems to me like the story is suddenly over before it began... how about sticking with the anticipation theme, maybe like "and I know your touch'll feel just right"...?

A detail that bugged me a tiny bit was the melody on "open our eyes" in the chorus - you sing it in two syllables rising like "eye-eyes". I really like that you sing that way on "ho-old". "cli-ing to", "nee-eed" and "me-elting", but by the time you get to eyes I felt it was too much and would prefer a simple straight "eyes" . But this may not be relevant since you're going to re-record the vocals anyway ;) .

Best,
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by Casey H » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:42 pm

MSteinmann wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:26 pm
Hi Casey,

I'm new to the forums but thought I'll just write my impressions anyway...

I love the vibe and guitar on this song and really like the melody of the chorus and "the fire we breathe" lyric. Like the others said, it'd probably help to get all the lyrics talking more homogeneously about desire. I feel that "the hands we hold" sounds too romantic, and "the arms we cling to" more afraid than passionate... how about something like "this kiss that burns / and the heat we cling to" or the likes to keep up the fire metaphore?

About the prechorus: I also like the first line which is about anticipating the rendevous ("We know where we're gonna be tonight") but the second line seems to me like the story is suddenly over before it began... how about sticking with the anticipation theme, maybe like "and I know your touch'll feel just right"...?

A detail that bugged me a tiny bit was the melody on "open our eyes" in the chorus - you sing it in two syllables rising like "eye-eyes". I really like that you sing that way on "ho-old". "cli-ing to", "nee-eed" and "me-elting", but by the time you get to eyes I felt it was too much and would prefer a simple straight "eyes" . But this may not be relevant since you're going to re-record the vocals anyway ;) .

Best,
Maya
Thanks Maya!
I totally agree with you on those lines not expressing passion! And yes, this will be re-recorded from scratch including a vocalist who can actually sing :lol: so phrasing nuances will definitely change.

Appreciate the input!
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Re: Lyric questions

Post by rlcmusic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:44 pm

Hello Mr H,

I’ve only looked at the 1st verse and chorus and mainly thought about the lines you questioned. I think the chorus would be stronger if the first few lines related to the hook/title more. I gave it a quick go!

..................
(V1)
In the heat of desire
Angry words don’t matter anymore
When the passion burns
We forget about moments before
Deep down inside
We know we’ll be turning the night
Into a blazing morning light

(CHORUS)
With lips too hot
Too hot for talking
We know what we need
Two hearts melting
Into one tonight
From the fire we breathe
........................


OR the chorus could start off:-


(CHORUS V2)
My gosh, I wish you didn’t look like a dragon :lol:



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Re: Lyric questions

Post by Casey H » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:52 pm

rlcmusic wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:44 pm
OR the chorus could start off:-

(CHORUS V2)
My gosh, I wish you didn’t look like a dragon :lol:

Rachel
THAT'S IT!!!!! Thanks!!! :D :lol:

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