Co-writing and chemisty

[tedsingingfox]

Thanks for the head's up. Thought I was safe by NOT mentioning the third guy by name.

[jchitty]

Quote:Yeah, Casey, I hate to have to...but I agree with you. Damn it.Several months ago I got the chance to sit down and try to co-write with Artie Resnick ("Under the Boardwalk", "Good Lovin'") and another man.The first session was a blast. I came up with a title idea, which Artie promptly totally turned on its ear (in the best possible way), and we went to work laughing and brainstorming. The third man (who had set up the meeting) wasn't quite getting where we were going with the idea and spent most of the session taking notes.Our second session a few days later was completely sabotaged by that third man (whether it was a conscious thing on his part or not, I've never quite figured out), and after 90 minutes of sitting and waiting for him to join us and get started, Artie and I just agreed that this wasn't happening and left. That was the end of a potentially enormous opportunity for me (AND the third man, who says he is now too busy to waste time sitting down to co-write without getting paid). And the only thing I can guess is that he felt left out or not in control or something to that affect.I don't have personal contact info for Artie or I'd try to pursue this further, and that third man says he's not allowed to give it out. He's withholding this info for a reason.... And that's a crying shame.CRAP!Face-to-face can be just as tough as long-distance, on-line cyberspace if people aren't on the same page to begin with...Just my two cents worth...TedAnd PLEASE, Chitty, go for the fifth set tie-breaker. Please. Y'all had me smiling and laughing and eager to read your next posting...Wow, you got a chance to sit down and write with the guy who wrote "Under the Boardwalk?" That's one of my all time fave songs. That sucks, Ted.....sounds like the third guy just couldn't get his ego in check. If I felt like I wasn't contributing, I would have just accepted that the project wasn't right for me and allowed you two folks to write it anyway. I don't get that kind of silliness, but oh well.Okay.....will this make you happy, hehe?Art Garfunkel is the embodiment of all that is evil.....he is responsible for global warming, the budget deficit, the New World Order and the fact that the grocery store was out of Dove chocolate bars today.*just kidding*

[jchitty]

Quote:Just a note that it might not be a good idea to mention any specific names on here... Dad?Okay, I'm getting out of here before my sense of humor gets me into trouble.

[Casey H]

Quote:Quote:Just a note that it might not be a good idea to mention any specific names on here... Dad?Okay, I'm getting out of here before my sense of humor gets me into trouble. Too late...

[michael11]

Quote:This issue of co-writing and chemistry is so important to folks like us who often try to collaborate with people they meet on message boards like this one. Some great things have come out of such collabs, no doubt. But my guess is the large majority of them fall apart due to lack of chemistry, style differences, egos, control issues, etc. Many of us (like me!) have control issues and that’s not a negative judgment. I find I have a hard time because I want to do it my way and keep control. But the silly thing is many songs never get finished or get any better while I hold on to that control.My own personal experience with successful on-line collaborations has only been when done as follows: One person is the owner or “Captain” and the other person feeds ideas such as lyrics, lyrical phrases, words, a bridge, a change in chords, etc. The Captain, for the most part, makes the final decisions. The Captain is usually the person who started the song. In a lot of ways, this is how Lennon and McCartney did it.My song, “Adrenaline” was collaboration. A lyricist from Australia found me on a web site and sent me some lyrics. I took many of the words and built a song around it, though I didn’t use the exact words. I was the Captain. The lyricist let me run with it. Another co-write, “Marry Me”, grew out of a songwriter I met on-line having music but no lyrics. I wrote lyrics, but she made some edits and had final say as the leader. Attempts to collaborate without a clear leader usually fell apart. Now, this is just MY experience. Yours might be different. Thoughts? PS Yes, Art was very important to the success of S&G... His harmonies were awesome and his solos ("For Emily..." and "Bridge...") were phenomenal... CaseyHi Casey,I have been thinking for some time about asking if you might be interested in a collab.I have zillions of tunes but not much in the way of lyrics although I do have some ideas.I am currently wrestling with logic 7'2 and slowly making progress toward reasonable sounding demo's. Still got some way to go. Talking of leaders,I am not so much of a Captain more of an Admiral. What do you think?I know this may sound like a joke but I am serious.

[Casey H]

Quote: Talking of leaders,I am not so much of a Captain more of an Admiral. I'm getting seasick already, Admiral... hee hee I'm booked pretty heavily right now, but let's keep in touch about it... Do I have to know "port" from "stern"and all that sort of stuff?

[Mark Kaufman]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Goffin-King. I always thought the strange relationship they shared was worth a movie.(I'm glad no one mentioned Hugh Grant and Drew Barrymore... )

[squidlips]

Until you did. Man, that was a truly terrible partnership, wasn't it?

[jchitty]

Quote:I always admired the work of Fred Flinstone and Barney Rubble, personally.Yeah, but Wilma and Betty were the real power behind the throne.