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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by deantaylor » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:03 pm

Cool. Congrats to your wife.Hope your number 1 song comes soon!

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by kitz » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:18 pm

Hi Andy,Comments above seem to be pretty on the mark. I still like the "sick little kids" line. As far as your production - well - it's a learning process - in my view a lifelong progression. Drums could come up a bit - bass as well. Try listening with vocal, bass and drums only and get that mix down - then go back and add the fill instruments. Doubling the vocal has always been very very tricky for me so I just don't do it but I use harmony parts instead. Just a thought you might try. The ending seems a bit abrupt - maybe just draw it out a little. Let the vocal finish dreams are made and go through the progression one last time with a grand instrumental lift and then out. Just my 2c. Keep after it.Kitz

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by jwebbinspired » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:17 am

Thanks Kitz.I always liked "sick little kids" too, but I think I realized it's hard to sing, too many words on this notes.I have never really strived for production since I have my demos done by a Nashville studio before I add them to my catalog.

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by teleblaster » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:51 am

Hi Jwebbsprd,Nice tune; I'm not a lyric guy so I'll confine myself to the music. I'd consider re-writing the chorus music (everytime someone's says I"m lucky). The phrasing and melody is very similar to the verse. Nothing wrong with that, but you might get a better lift and add some depth to the piece if you broke out of that cadence and took the chorus to a new place. You might find you need a pre-chorus to help connect the dots.HTHeRich

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by jwebbinspired » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 am

Thank's for the input eRich. I'll play around with it. I'm going to have to step back. It's been this way for so long it's going to be hard to visualize. I'm sure I can do it, it's just not going to be as easy as usual

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by questor » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:07 am

jweb,Overall nice solid tune, really nice grove in the music, nice buildup for the choruses, nicely done.As for me, the issues I think are:1. The words Every-time, are a little awkward sounding, but you do a very good job with a tough split.2. I heard a slightly different melody in that a few lines would end in a slightly higher/lower note on the rhymes to accentuate the melody. But really hard to describe in detail with words, but you get the idea hopefully. Very close to what you have melodically, but perhaps a bit more 'flair' on the vocals as your voice is clearly capable of nice flair and accentuations.3. 'Dreams are made' does work. But I almost feel like that the line does not deliver the emotional crescendo that the rest of the song makes me assume I will feel. (How is that for an introspective thought! ) Alternates are a tough call, which is why 'Dreams are made' is a solid second choice, but it is worth looking into a getting more umph from that delivery line if you can.Of course, that is just my opinion.Overall, very nice story and solid vocals/instrumentation. Good job!Regards,Q

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by jwebbinspired » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:40 am

Thanks Q for the detailed feedback. Very helpful.On your second point, I think I understand what you're saying. The lines that are rhymed would be accentuated better if their melodic structure was slightly different?Concering the hook...I'm kind if torn with that issue because everyone who has ever heard the song never questioned the meaning of the hook, but I have wondered, as you suggested, if it could be said better. But there isn't a better word than "made" (that I have located) that lets me use "dreams are..." to proceed it and allow it to be short and sweet. I wanted to avoid using a lot of words. Hmmmmm

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by heinsite » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:57 am

hey andy!!i really like this vibe, kinda a cross between folk and pop, so i guess singer/songwriter?anyway, a couple comments, 2 listens...--i think the bridge is a bit weak IMHO, doesn't do too much that is compellingly different as a change up--i'd either lengthen it a bit, change up on the chords to a minor maybe, or both....just a thought--i like the chorus allot, actually the first thing i thought when i heard this was "in a more polished version, this should be entered in the american idol contest"--but competition is very stiff...anyway (sorry, i wander...) i love the high note, and it left my wondering if in the chorus you couldn't do that twice, as in another line--might improve the hook even more...just a quick thought--on your "g" line, you do need another syllable or 3, like, "and strummed a C and a G"--might fix the flow, unless you did it on purpose, then forget it! LOL...--i like your overall lyrics, but on second listen, had a hard time connecting the wife's story with the songwriter story--not sure if it's needed, but was slightly confusing to this old guy...now i have NO idea how you'd re-reference it, or if you should, but feel it might flow better.ok, now that's from a guy that's been forwarded 4 times in 4 years!! so take it with a grain...i really like the overall vibe to the song my friend, and i like the way you aint afraid to stick it out there a bit on the rough side--THANK YOU!!all the best,warren

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by questor » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:23 am

jweb,I don't think anyone really questions what you are trying to say by 'Dreams are made'...it is just that the title is really the money line in this song and the line 'Dreams are made' could have more punch...However, I do know how hard it is to break away from lyrics you have grown used to singing... not to mention trying to limit the impact of new lyrics on the structure of the rhymes and overall meaning of the song...because the whole song is about how dreams are made...chances are any change to that line would have a domino effect and that is tough call when you have a finished good song.As for the melodic changes...yes, you understood what I meant...at least partially. You could basically do one of two things: 1) Modify the lead melody and use slightly lower/higher end notes to accentuate the rhymes, just like you said. Also worth noting is that 'made' is sung on a down note, which might explain part of the comments regarding that line.2) Use the existing melody and add more flourish to the vocals on those end notes...for example a line could end in 'way' and the vocalist might sing 'way-e-ay-e-ay' (which is something I do from time to time). Every vocalist has their own style of flourishing notes...kinda like you do with 'Every-time', 'lucky', etc.I was just trying to say that you could spruce the song up a bit more if you did a slight degree of either/both of the above. But again, it's just one person's opinion. Still overall a great tune.Regards,Q

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Re: "Dreams Are Made"

Post by jwebbinspired » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:29 am

Q, I really appreciate your opinion. Thank you for explaining all that to me. It's very helpful. And I definitely understand now what you're saying. Did you hear the "new" version of this song, it's somewhere in the middle of the post?... I just want to make sure you are talking from my new version, so I don't get confused....that happens easily.

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