An idea... (maybe a challenge?)

[Casey H]

I was thinking this morning of many of the posts I've read and came up with this idea. My wife does say it's dangerous when I think, but here goes... The policy on this board is that if you complain about your critique, you should post the listing, entire critique, a link to the song, and the lyrics. I think that is very fair to everyone! But sometimes, the folks who do that get upset that all the regular forum contributors here will jump (with alleged bias) to support TAXI and what the screener's comments were. I am not saying there is or isn't that bias or that I often disagree with what is said here (In fact, I don't). But one could argue that human nature is a factor.So here is my idea... (It's really nothing new) If you got a critique and do or don't agree with it, without saying what your results were, simply post the song, lyrics and listing and the review form (see link below) for cut and paste. Ask people to review it in the context of the listing, give as much review detail as they can, and say whether or not they would forward it. Collect a bunch of those before (optionally) posting the screener's review. Review form:http://taxi.proboards27.com/index.cgi?b ... 1073947717 To keep us on our toes, it's fine to post a song that got a positive review and was forwarded. This can be a "blind" study, of sorts. Don't tell us anything.I suggest using this thread to keep it all together, but that is just a suggestion.The concept would be to get as much input from members here without any possible bias by reading the actual critique.Whaddaya think? Casey

[squids]

I don't know, Casey........one of the things I've noticed myself is when you post a song for a forum critique, you're going to get a ton of differing opinions that may or may not have anything to do with the critique you're really concerned about, the one from the screener. If you're using this method to compare to the screener's viewpoint, it still isn't really valid....according to what Taxi says, their screeners have serious experience in the industry and the forum members, while also having a lot of experience en toto, don't have much screening experience.Do you get what I mean? (I re-read this and I'm not sure it's all that clear, sorry).

[Casey H]

Quote:I don't know, Casey........one of the things I've noticed myself is when you post a song for a forum critique, you're going to get a ton of differing opinions that may or may not have anything to do with the critique you're really concerned about, the one from the screener. If you're using this method to compare to the screener's viewpoint, it still isn't really valid....according to what Taxi says, their screeners have serious experience in the industry and the forum members, while also having a lot of experience en toto, don't have much screening experience.Do you get what I mean? (I re-read this and I'm not sure it's all that clear, sorry). You could very well be right, I honestly don't know. But nothing stops someone from doing both things. Get comments without posting the screener's and later with... And if the forum members don't have enough knowledge and experience, what makes their input after reading the screener's viewpoint more valid? I guess I was addressing the comments (or impressions) made by less happy folks that many of the forum members are biased, especially after reading the official critiques.It could be a good idea or not. I threw it out there... Thinking in the shower has it's pros and cons. I HOPE this isn't one of those threads I'll wish I never started, LOL... Casey

[Casey H]

Quote:I think it is a good idea.I do agree that there are several regulars that run to side with Taxi that would not if they had to review music before seeing the screeners comments.After the Rally I am convinced this is more of a crap shoot than skill.Hey Jude (Sorry, I had to say that... )I just want to clarify that I was not making the statement that regulars who side with TAXI are purposely reviewing non-objectively. I just thought it would be nice to get more opinions before reading what the reviewer said and put it out there for both nay-sayers and believers. Are there some here who may be biased? Probably... BUT there are A LOT here who review songs and/or lyrics in the context of listings (I did one this morning) before submission and give a very good assessment of how they feel a song will do if submitted.And, as the nerd I am, it is an interesting study. As far as it all being more of a crap shoot than skill, I don't agree at all. It only MIGHT become a bit of a crap shoot when songs that are borderline with respect to a listing are submitted-- different reviewers will have different perspectives. But without enough skill to get to at least the borderline, a toss of the dice won't work.Warmest and best of '08,Casey

[johnnydean1]

Quote:Quote:After the Rally I am convienced this is more of a crap shoot than skill.So...you're saying that those of us who have spent years perfecting our musical craft and pitching skills, and who research every listing carefully and submit judiciously and therefore have a high forward ratio are in actual fact just luckier than the average member/musician...correct?So,to put it in a nutshell.....the harder matto work's....the luckier he gets........hhhhhmmmmmmnnnnnn now there's an interesting conceptI must give it a try sometimetrouble is..........it leaves less time to whine about Taxi.

[hummingbird]

Quote:Quote:So...you're saying that those of us who have spent years perfecting our musical craft and pitching skills, and who research every listing carefully and submit judiciously and therefore have a high forward ratio are in actual fact just luckier than the average member/musician...correct?So,to put it in a nutshell.....the harder matto work's....the luckier he gets........hhhhhmmmmmmnnnnnn now there's an interesting conceptI must give it a try sometimetrouble is..........it leaves less time to whine about Taxi.

[jude3]

Quote: Stop complaining about your circumstances and start looking for opportunities to create the situations you desire." ~Bob BakerI don't know why but you seem to assume things that I have never said.I encourage people to join Taxi and to make the most of it.Just know what one is getting into please. Thats all.Think possitive when you gamble. hehehehe

[hummingbird]

Quote:Quote: Stop complaining about your circumstances and start looking for opportunities to create the situations you desire." ~Bob BakerI don't know why but you seem to assume things that I have never said.I encourage people to join Taxi and to make the most of it.Just know what one is getting into please. Thats all.Think possitive when you gamble. hehehehe I think I clearly understand that you are saying:- that for every successful person, there are a hundred that won't make it; - that why one person succeeds and another doesn't isn't simple to define;- that many careers have a rise & fall;- that most people don't have a hope & should give up before they get 'hurt';- that people should educate themselves about the industry.My POV is no one can define success for me. I define it for myself. And I put one foot in front of the other, working hard/struggling & enjoying/feeling inspired by my progress. No one could tell me at the beginning of my journey whether I would be successful or not. The only way to know, is for me to do the work, and trust, and take joy in the journey. When I look at my life, I'm amazed at how far I've come, yet I clearly see I have a long way to go. I don't see how that 'hurts' me. I think it is possible to be a realist and a dreamer at the same time. One part inspires you, and the other part pushes you to take action to achieve. I don't think it's my place to squash other people's dreams.

[Casey H]

Interesting... No one has followed up on what I suggested in the post that created this thread (Read up). If I knew it would become like this, I would have never started it. I just thought some folks would have some songs reviewed by members here and compare to what feedback they were getting from reviewers. That is all... Nothing more, nothing less... I am disappointed that it has gone this direction. Anyone interested in sticking to the music and the feedback? Casey

[jude3]

Quote:Interesting... No one has followed up on what I suggested in the post that created this thread (Read up). If I knew it would become like this, I would have never started it. I just thought some folks would have some songs reviewed by members here and compare to what feedback they were getting from reviewers. That is all... Nothing more, nothing less... I am disappointed that it has gone this direction. Anyone interested in sticking to the music and the feedback? CaseyI agree.I think it is a good idea. I said that three times.