Foreign Royalties

[Dwayne Russell]

Is Canada a foreign market?

If I have something that airs major network in Canada does that count as foreign royalty?

[davewalton]

Is Canada a foreign market?

If I have something that airs major network in Canada does that count as foreign royalty?

Yep... from a royalty standpoint, they're "feriners".

[Dwayne Russell]

Is it likely that if the network show airs at the same time in Canada that the music in the show is different in Canada than the US?

[Casey H]

It IS possible that the music used in a foreign TV broadcast is different than that used domestically.

This happened to me once. I got paid a PRO royalty for broadcast of a certain episode in Europe. I then got a copy of the show (US version) and watched it to find my track. But my track wasn't there. I asked the library and they explained it. Remember, one of the reasons library music is used is to replace more expensive tracks by known artists. Some shows use a combo of known artist's tracks a less expensive library music. In my case, when it was broadcast in Europe, that network wanted to save more money on licensing fees and therefore substituted additional library tracks in places where the domestic version used known (or at least more expensive to license) tracks.

HTH
Casey

[Dwayne Russell]

It IS possible that the music used in a foreign TV broadcast is different than that used domestically.

This happened to me once. I got paid a PRO royalty for broadcast of a certain episode in Europe. I then got a copy of the show (US version) and watched it to find my track. But my track wasn't there. I asked the library and they explained it. Remember, one of the reasons library music is used is to replace more expensive tracks by known artists. Some shows use a combo of known artist's tracks a less expensive library music. In my case, when it was broadcast in Europe, that network wanted to save more money on licensing fees and therefore substituted additional library tracks in places where the domestic version used known (or at least more expensive to license) tracks.

HTH
Casey

That makes sense, but I am wondering if Canada is different than Europe.

[Casey H]

It IS possible that the music used in a foreign TV broadcast is different than that used domestically.

This happened to me once. I got paid a PRO royalty for broadcast of a certain episode in Europe. I then got a copy of the show (US version) and watched it to find my track. But my track wasn't there. I asked the library and they explained it. Remember, one of the reasons library music is used is to replace more expensive tracks by known artists. Some shows use a combo of known artist's tracks a less expensive library music. In my case, when it was broadcast in Europe, that network wanted to save more money on licensing fees and therefore substituted additional library tracks in places where the domestic version used known (or at least more expensive to license) tracks.

HTH
Casey

That makes sense, but I am wondering if Canada is different than Europe.

I don't see why that would necessarily be true. If a different TV network is involved such as one in any other country, it would seem to me that they could make changes to save license fees.

Casey

[Dwayne Russell]

Ok Thanks a lot.

[matto]

It's highly unlikely that a US show that airs on a Canadian network would have different music. What Casey describes happens occasionally but is quite rare; I've seen it happen once or twice out of hundreds of shows I've had music on that have aired overseas.
Also, in case this wasn't clear from Casey's post, what happens occasionally is that songs from known artists are licensed for US use only and then replaced by library music for foreign distribution. In other words you may get a track on the foreign version that wasn't on the US version. I've never seen the opposite happen although I guess it's possible, just even far less likely...

And yes, contrary to some peoples' belief, Canada is a foreign country, not another US state...

[Dwayne Russell]

It's highly unlikely that a US show that airs on a Canadian network would have different music. What Casey describes happens occasionally but is quite rare; I've seen it happen once or twice out of hundreds of shows I've had music on that have aired overseas.
Also, in case this wasn't clear from Casey's post, what happens occasionally is that songs from known artists are licensed for US use only and then replaced by library music for foreign distribution. In other words you may get a track on the foreign version that wasn't on the US version. I've never seen the opposite happen although I guess it's possible, just even far less likely...

And yes, contrary to some peoples' belief, Canada is a foreign country, not another US state...

Ok. The reason I ask is because of the cuts I had on ASTWT. The publisher is telling me that my cues aired in the foreign market but not the US market, even though I have a cue sheet from her that shows my songs on it.

How do I know by the cue sheet which market it is? And how do I know what date the cue sheet was prepared?

maybe I have a cue sheet that was prepared before the show and the cues changed before the airing if it. But it would seem strange for the publisher to give me a cue sheet three months AFTER the airing of the show that was from way BEFORE the show even aired.

Well, I managed to find a copy of the show in question but it is from Canada. So the whole reason I am asking about this is because I don't want to use this as proof my songs aired just to have them tell me it is not valid proof because it is a Canadian episode.

I should have the DVD copy of the episode soon. It's in the mail.

[Casey H]

It's highly unlikely that a US show that airs on a Canadian network would have different music. What Casey describes happens occasionally but is quite rare; I've seen it happen once or twice out of hundreds of shows I've had music on that have aired overseas.
Also, in case this wasn't clear from Casey's post, what happens occasionally is that songs from known artists are licensed for US use only and then replaced by library music for foreign distribution. In other words you may get a track on the foreign version that wasn't on the US version. I've never seen the opposite happen although I guess it's possible, just even far less likely...

And yes, contrary to some peoples' belief, Canada is a foreign country, not another US state...

Thanks matto for a clearer explanation than mine. What happened to me is exactly as you described-- got a track on a foreign version that wasn't on the US version.

Dwayne, what's funny is after I got paid for music on a certain episode, I bought a DVD copy just as you are. It was when I couldn't find the music on the DVD episode (which was U.S.), I learned about this type of thing. Can't complain... It was unexpected revenue...

Casey