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Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by Stubee » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:41 pm

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I just submitted this to a posting for trailer using re-imagined public domain music.

1) Performance?
2) Arrangement?
3) Mix? I know the mix is not good so I really need your suggestions to improve it.

Thank you,
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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by irthlingz » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:19 pm

I'll be interested to see what advice you get on this, Stu. I have found "epic" to be one of the harder targets to hit - or even come close.
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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by edmondredd » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:07 pm

Hey Stu! my 2 cents! Instrumentation is key here. Choosing the right palette of sounds is what makes it "epic". Next thing I'll look into is the arrangement: usually, not always, tracks are in a minor key. So just like Vulpine's version in the refs, try to make it extremely sad, and dramatic.
Mix will definitely help make it on parr with other cinematic trailer production, but I guess there are other major things to worry about before that.
Listen a lot to the references, and check other industry releases, especially with "classical" trailerized music for you to get a better idea!
Hope that helps, and good luck with that one.
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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by superblonde » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:56 am

I'd say it needs a lot of work on synchronizing the rhythm of the vocals in order to be above demo quality, before considering anything else like form or mix or etc. The harmonies should be dead on exact in lining up with each other even in a folksy-type genre which prioritizes rhythmic feel. Artistically neat idea for sure.
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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by Stubee » Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:29 pm

edmondredd wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:07 pm
Hey Stu! my 2 cents! Instrumentation is key here. Choosing the right palette of sounds is what makes it "epic". Next thing I'll look into is the arrangement: usually, not always, tracks are in a minor key. So just like Vulpine's version in the refs, try to make it extremely sad, and dramatic.
Mix will definitely help make it on parr with other cinematic trailer production, but I guess there are other major things to worry about before that.
Listen a lot to the references, and check other industry releases, especially with "classical" trailerized music for you to get a better idea!
Hope that helps, and good luck with that one.
I tried using a minor key but I could make it work because these public domain songs that were written 100+ years ago seem to all seem to not translate well into minor keys. Keep on the Sunny Side is so happy and uplifting that it's hard to make it sad and believable at the same time. Although, the Star Spangle Banner did translate well for the sample. I'll give the sample another listen. If I can't get it fixed for this go 'round I will definitely use your feedback on the next trailer that I attempt. Much appreciated.

Thank you,
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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by Stubee » Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:36 pm

superblonde wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:56 am
I'd say it needs a lot of work on synchronizing the rhythm of the vocals in order to be above demo quality, before considering anything else like form or mix or etc. The harmonies should be dead on exact in lining up with each other even in a folksy-type genre which prioritizes rhythmic feel. Artistically neat idea for sure.
Thank you Superblonde. I thought could get away with a slightly looser harmony. You are right bout it. I find it very difficult to time the harmonies when I'm recording.
I know there is a way in Logic Pro to line them up but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Maybe I'll see if there is a video on Youtube that explains how to do it.
As usual, your feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Stu

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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by nicotina » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:26 pm

I agree with the other comments on this one, but would add that the instrumentation palette needs work. The synth sound sounds dated. For trailers, they like some cinematic sounds in there, so maybe use symphonic strings, or really modern slick synth pads. That would fit better with the folksy sounding vocals too. Having an 80's style futuristic synth against a lonesome country voice sounds kind of jarring. It's a great song though, and I'm sure you'll find a way to make this work: though maybe not for this listing.

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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by irthlingz » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:41 pm

Stubee wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:36 pm
I find it very difficult to time the harmonies when I'm recording.
I know there is a way in Logic Pro to line them up but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Maybe I'll see if there is a video on Youtube that explains how to do it.
You could start watching this one at around 2:30.

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Re: Opinions Please! This is for a Public Domain Trailer

Post by Stubee » Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:08 pm

nicotina wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:26 pm
I agree with the other comments on this one, but would add that the instrumentation palette needs work. The synth sound sounds dated. For trailers, they like some cinematic sounds in there, so maybe use symphonic strings, or really modern slick synth pads. That would fit better with the folksy sounding vocals too. Having an 80's style futuristic synth against a lonesome country voice sounds kind of jarring. It's a great song though, and I'm sure you'll find a way to make this work: though maybe not for this listing.

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I'm working on a redo of this. I'll try to stick closer to the sample. I don't know if I will succeed but your advice is fantastic and I will try to see if I can come close.
It will probably take a day or 2 to post. Thank you for the great feedback. Oh, and I will also change to key from E to Eminor.

Thank you,
Stu

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