"HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by DouglasKnight » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:06 pm

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Nice tune!

All the chords in the A section are one bar only, and there seem to be a lot of different ones... this makes it a bit restless. I think it would improve if there was a two-bar chord in that progression? The B section doesn't suffer from this, you're already using two-bar chords there.

Just a thought!
Hey there! I can hear what you mean - the "A" section is changes chords really frequently compared to the "B" section, which could be off-putting. To fix it, I'd really have to start over with the piece, so I may just create something new using your suggestion, with less frequent chord changes and see what I can come up with! Thanks a lot for your feedback, I really appreciate it!
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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by irthlingz » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:31 pm

Yes, very nice, Douglas!

The dead stop at around 1:07 feels a bit unnatural to me. I would at least put more of a musical resolution or cadence there, and perhaps not have complete silence at all? Curious what others think of this, as I'm a bit surprised that no one else commented on it.

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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by DouglasKnight » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:41 pm

irthlingz wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:31 pm
Yes, very nice, Douglas!

The dead stop at around 1:07 feels a bit unnatural to me. I would at least put more of a musical resolution or cadence there, and perhaps not have complete silence at all? Curious what others think of this, as I'm a bit surprised that no one else commented on it.

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Hi Michael, and thank you for listening! I was wondering about the stop as well, and, on one hand, think it may help to give a clear edit point and on the other, wondering if it would be frowned upon by the screeners. I've not heard any other comments on it yet though, so hoping it won't be a deal breaker. I could always submit another version with no stop! Either way, thanks a lot for your comments and help...
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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by irthlingz » Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:36 pm

An edit point is a musically logical place where it makes sense to cut the cue. This does not mean you must insert a moment of silence. If you do, that's okay, as long as the moment of silence makes sense. Edit points are musical cadences or resolutions.
--Writing Production Music for TV, Steve Barden, p. 68
The conclusion I draw is: Do what makes the most musical sense. Do not leave silence simply because you think it will make an easier edit point.

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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by AlanHall » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:30 pm

irthlingz wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:36 pm
An edit point is a musically logical place where it makes sense to cut the cue. This does not mean you must insert a moment of silence. If you do, that's okay, as long as the moment of silence makes sense. Edit points are musical cadences or resolutions.
--Writing Production Music for TV, Steve Barden, p. 68
The conclusion I draw is: Do what makes the most musical sense. Do not leave silence simply because you think it will make an easier edit point.

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Let me add - without being contrary - the cue certainly must be musical (by some definition) but it must also have utility. The editor is not going to a concert, they are going to a buffet - to pick and choose what is best for the scene they're cutting to. If the spot of silence is both musical and useful, then it has satisfied the criteria of having made "the most ... sense". Many cues that I've studied have really great edit points that are not silences, but rather a slowing or cessation of motion, or a lull in the melody (where the rhythm is still going but could be faded out over a few seconds without sounding strange), or some other "breathing point" that allows an easy and satisfying edit.
I struggle with temptation, and lose quite a lot :lol: when I make my cues follow some classical common-practice notion of form. They are too busy, too complex. For the editor, whatever bit they use for sync must have a 'completeness' about it as it stands alone. That bit they select must not need what comes before or what comes after to make musical sense. Edit points don't need to be a hard stop, but they do need to be an OK place to stop listening. If that makes any sense?

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Re: "HAPPY, CLAPPY" ACOUSTIC POP INSTRUMENTAL CUE

Post by irthlingz » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:39 pm

AlanHall wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:30 pm
irthlingz wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:36 pm
An edit point is a musically logical place where it makes sense to cut the cue. This does not mean you must insert a moment of silence. If you do, that's okay, as long as the moment of silence makes sense. Edit points are musical cadences or resolutions.
--Writing Production Music for TV, Steve Barden, p. 68
The conclusion I draw is: Do what makes the most musical sense. Do not leave silence simply because you think it will make an easier edit point.

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Michael
Let me add - without being contrary - the cue certainly must be musical (by some definition) but it must also have utility. The editor is not going to a concert, they are going to a buffet - to pick and choose what is best for the scene they're cutting to. If the spot of silence is both musical and useful, then it has satisfied the criteria of having made "the most ... sense". Many cues that I've studied have really great edit points that are not silences, but rather a slowing or cessation of motion, or a lull in the melody (where the rhythm is still going but could be faded out over a few seconds without sounding strange), or some other "breathing point" that allows an easy and satisfying edit.
I struggle with temptation, and lose quite a lot :lol: when I make my cues follow some classical common-practice notion of form. They are too busy, too complex. For the editor, whatever bit they use for sync must have a 'completeness' about it as it stands alone. That bit they select must not need what comes before or what comes after to make musical sense. Edit points don't need to be a hard stop, but they do need to be an OK place to stop listening. If that makes any sense?
Thanks, Alan. Agree 100%.

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