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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Telefunkin » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:30 am

Neural networks were (and I assume still are) poor at extrapolating beyond their data set. They also need to be seeded by analysing real data (in this case the output from real musicians). If they take hold then eventually musicians will be so devalued that nobody will bother learning how to play and write. So will the AI generators have to copy each other instead? Will music stagnate into one homogonised boring piece that contains nothing new to stimulate our senses? Some might argue that we've we already managed to get pretty close to that without AI help.

You might also ask why authors are not worried when AI could write stories, or actors are not worried when AI can generate animated characters to play their roles. Should we frown on Disney's work? Avatar is groundbreaking but nobody seems to worry about it causing the collapse of the movie industry.

It might be putting my head in the sand, but my prediction is that AI will become just another source of music and tools that we might all be able to use to our advantage in some way, but probably won't take over.
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Casey H » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:35 am

What if AI took over forum posts? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Telefunkin » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:38 am

Casey H wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:35 am
What if AI took over forum posts? :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's a tough gig. They'd have to able to type .... "Your link doesn't work" :)
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Casey H » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:02 am

Telefunkin wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:38 am
Casey H wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:35 am
What if AI took over forum posts? :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's a tough gig. They'd have to able to type .... "Your link doesn't work" :)
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by cosmicdolphin » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:14 am

Couple of points to add

1. You can't stop progress, people have been losing their jobs to technology since humans first started creating tools. It's nothing new. Worrying about it changes nothing.

2. Current AI is so called "weak" AI. It can only replicate facsimiles of the datasets that Graham mentioned. All that AI art is just a remix of all the images it's been given. It's got no originality. It can't create anything unique. We are still a long way off "strong" AI capable of independent thought and creating original ideas.

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by shoodBworkin » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:32 am

Casey H wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:35 am
What if AI took over forum posts? :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's a terrifying vision: AI forum shills swooping from the rafters like crazed chimpanzees, chanting "Band-In-A Box!" "Band-In-A-Box!!" lol
Here's another:
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Paulie » Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:12 am

We need to separate the concepts of art and product in this discussion. No, AI will not eliminate creativity in the art world. However, AI WILL eliminate jobs... this is not debatable. Technology, as Cosmic Dolphin correctly stated, regularly replaces humans. (Been to a McDonald's lately?) Anything that can be easily created can be commoditized. Does anyone reading this think that the big studios won't fall back on AI to lower their production music costs? How much "art" do they really want when it comes to tension drones, dramedy, relaxing piano, hell... even string quartets and jazz combos. When they can generate it on their own, our prospects decrease. This is reality. Even worse... if they can figure out how to further game the system and monetize AI-generated music, the concept will accelerate.

We can now deepfake people's faces and voices. We can create lyrics and essays via AI. Software libraries continue to get more and more realistic. And remember, this is still a NEW technology... Moore's Law continues to remain true (the power of computing doubles every 18 months). In fact, I think it is accelerating slightly. Think about the clients that buy our music, then figure out if you are at risk. Ideally we learn how to use AI tools to help our own workflow so that we are on the right side of this technology, instead of becoming victims of it.
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by SubRivers » Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:26 pm

The interesting thing with AI is it can go beyond creating production music library cues as the next step to creating a score to picture is not far.
Needs some direction to describe emotion and A-Las sections by section, instructions about how to handle dialog or other sounds in the picture - i.e volume dip or hollow out arrangement/mix to not clash.

Basically a whole lot of detail that is impossible to do outside of big budget productions will become available to a reality TV show.

I can see that AI could be creative through mashing up A-Las as that only requires it to remain within its learning set. But it is hard to see how successful it would be unless it can be given a mash-up A-Las to target.

Might be the gap where human musicians come in - they do the initial creativity to create short A-Las for a "good" mashup in order to get the AI started generating in the right space and then use human ears feed back judgements to the AI on it's attempts to expand it's learning set to this new "genre".

So there you go - there's a job for the meatware :)

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by eandersonmusic » Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:39 pm

Well if they have to go through Taxi to get a forward, we got nothing to worry about :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Casey H » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:49 pm

eandersonmusic wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:39 pm
Well if they have to go through Taxi to get a forward, we got nothing to worry about :lol: :lol: :lol:
Unless the screeners are replaced by AI as well! :lol:

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