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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Telefunkin » Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:21 am

Casey H wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:49 pm
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Well if they have to go through Taxi to get a forward, we got nothing to worry about :lol: :lol: :lol:
Unless the screeners are replaced by AI as well! :lol:
That could be fun when 'musician' AI generates a track that precisely replicates the strongest features of all the reference tracks, then 'screener' AI says it sounds dated and the samples are not realistic ;).
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by PeteCrane » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:59 pm

AI will not take composers' jobs. Music is too complex. People always point to examples of so called "AI generated music" like that Eminem song and go into an irrational panic. These songs are clickbait. They're not real. They were not generated by a text prompt input like "Create a new Eminem song" like people think. The results of an AI creating individual components of a song can be cherrypicked and pieced together by a human. But an AI will never be able to create a fully layered song without hours of intervention by a human who knows what they're doing.

Images can be a lot more "mushy" than music. Our brains have evolved to be very good at pattern recognition. So if something looks a bit off, we can forgive it and understand what it's trying to convey.

Music (outside of ambient) doesn't work the same way. It's comprised of dozens of discrete layers, all crafted by a process involving thousands of little decisions that a composer makes, referenced on monitors and balanced by a trained ear.

To make AI music in the same way AI visual art is made, you would need to point a neural network at a catalogue of songs and get it to break the audio apart into stems. There is some software that does an admirable job at this, separating drums and vocals etc out into separate audio files, but the results are very degraded. The AI would then need to understand the stylistic properties around these discrete components and then smoosh these degraded audio snippets back together to create something new. And the results will always be garbage. Fascinating, novel, clever, but still garbage. A human would always need to intervene and the time needed to do this would be comparable to making a song from scratch.

Maybe some ambient beds and tension textures can be created by AI and layered into certain scenes. But probably not in less time than it take someone to hold down a key on a synth. And never a finished song. Never a trailer. And the people on this forum should know better than anyone that it's actually really hard to make a drone cue - a basic pad is not going to cut it.

Before you go into too much more of a panic, stop speculating about tech that doesn't exist yet and really think about the mechanics of how a song is made. Think about what goes into a song, a cue, a trailer. AI will never be able to do what we do.

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by boinkeee2000 » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:44 pm

Paulie wrote:
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How much "art" do they really want when it comes to tension drones, dramedy, relaxing piano, hell... even string quartets and jazz combos. When they can generate it on their own, our prospects decrease.
I'll bite . . .

Short answer - a lot, or else taxi and hard to get into big PMA labels would become obsolete in a heartbeat. lets not misconstrue production music (or even stock music) as lacking of "Art", nor generalize a whole industry as one big product that only caters to tension drones for investigative tv. especially in an industry where relationships and human connection is paramount. AI Mcdonalds will have its place... as will good, comfy homemade specialty diners with a warm friendly staff will have theirs...

and i'm not totally convinced there'll be a day when we watch a box office flick and be at awe with an AI Hanz Zimmer more so than the real one . . .complete with his character, history, quirks, and imperfections

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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by Paulie » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:03 pm

I'm not generalizing an entire industry, I specifically pointed out genres that are at risk. We all have our opinions, I tend to not take technology for granted, like an overwhelming percentage of mankind has done for its entire existence.
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by jdstamper » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:48 pm

So maybe our parents were right... Don't count on being a musician... Make sure you have a backup job 😉

AI, automation, robots, autopilots, chatbots, automated customer service, etc, etc ... It's a lot bigger than the music industry.

Maybe one day, the whole world economy evolves to being leisure-based. Then we make money by owning a piece of the AI action, and we spend money on travel, food, and entertainment, largely provided by AI.

Or sure, we become slaves to the machines, eventually destroyed by the AI terminators, that's another scenario.

Whatever happens I'm guessing we don't stop making music, even if we don't get paid, because it's fun.
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Re: 2023 - Music and AI

Post by shoodBworkin » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:19 am

" Proponents point to the problem-solving potential of machine learning, and AI’s ability to make many laborious and time-consuming tasks a thing of the past. Others worry about the effect it may have on everything from the labour market to the existential survival of the human race. One thing everyone can agree on is that whether good or bad, the effects of AI will be wide, deep and probably irreversible . . . "
How AI Is Shaping the Future of the Music Industry


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