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Belated April Fool's?

Post by superkons » Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:13 am

That is what I thought when I saw 16 (!) detections of my quirky Middle Eastern tune "Cheeky Camel" popping up in my Tunesat, dated April 1st. I soon realised they used my piece in an ad that was run across a multitude of different channels, and even multiple times on the same channel.
I have been wondering whether there may be a sync fee, too :)
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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by cosmicdolphin » Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:50 am

Congrat to you.

Is it an Ad ( for a product ) or is it a Promo ( for an upcomig TV show ) - You can usually tell by listening

My expererience of picking up multiple detections in both circumstances on several occasions was that I ended up with nothing - so don't hold your breath but cross everything and hope whatever it is qualifies for some sort of payment.

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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by superkons » Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:51 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:50 am
Congrat to you.

Is it an Ad ( for a product ) or is it a Promo ( for an upcomig TV show ) - You can usually tell by listening

My expererience of picking up multiple detections in both circumstances on several occasions was that I ended up with nothing - so don't hold your breath but cross everything and hope whatever it is qualifies for some sort of payment.
I conjecture it might be the former, there is no dialogue in the audio detection, only sound effects, in which case it could be anything really. Hopefully something will come out of that
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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by cosmicdolphin » Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:27 am

superkons wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:51 am
cosmicdolphin wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:50 am
Congrat to you.

Is it an Ad ( for a product ) or is it a Promo ( for an upcomig TV show ) - You can usually tell by listening

My expererience of picking up multiple detections in both circumstances on several occasions was that I ended up with nothing - so don't hold your breath but cross everything and hope whatever it is qualifies for some sort of payment.
I conjecture it might be the former, there is no dialogue in the audio detection, only sound effects, in which case it could be anything really. Hopefully something will come out of that
Is it the exact length of an Ad ? 30 or 15s ?

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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by SubRivers » Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:53 pm

About 4 years ago I had 32 tunesat detections on MTV and a some sister channels over a few days - each 15secs long of a promo for some up coming show/event at the w/e.

Never saw any royalties for it.

Another similar promo about a year later did pay out and at levels that suggested the non paying spot should have been at least $500 (the one that paid was something like 6 x 10s vs 32 vs 15s and the former paid about $150 (est as I see the payout in £)

So good job getting the spot and I hope you get paid - but it seems the cue sheets for these spots aren't reliable

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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by superkons » Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:47 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:27 am
superkons wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:51 am
cosmicdolphin wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:50 am
Congrat to you.

Is it an Ad ( for a product ) or is it a Promo ( for an upcomig TV show ) - You can usually tell by listening

My expererience of picking up multiple detections in both circumstances on several occasions was that I ended up with nothing - so don't hold your breath but cross everything and hope whatever it is qualifies for some sort of payment.
I conjecture it might be the former, there is no dialogue in the audio detection, only sound effects, in which case it could be anything really. Hopefully something will come out of that
Is it the exact length of an Ad ? 30 or 15s ?
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SubRivers wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:53 pm
About 4 years ago I had 32 tunesat detections on MTV and a some sister channels over a few days - each 15secs long of a promo for some up coming show/event at the w/e.

Never saw any royalties for it.

Another similar promo about a year later did pay out and at levels that suggested the non paying spot should have been at least $500 (the one that paid was something like 6 x 10s vs 32 vs 15s and the former paid about $150 (est as I see the payout in £)

So good job getting the spot and I hope you get paid - but it seems the cue sheets for these spots aren't reliable
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I keep hearing to not hold my hopes high, so I suppose we will see what comes in, if anything at all comes in, in terms of royalties. Thank you for sharing your story :)
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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by superkons » Fri May 05, 2023 6:07 am

Just thought I would give an update about this particular placement: after 1 month, Tunesat ended up detecting around 970 usages of that cue of mine, so I assumed that the ad was run for 1 month as I have not seen any more new detections after the 1st of May.
Well, I am not certain as to how all those usages will amount to in terms of royalties, hopefully I will not have to wait too long to find out :)
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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by CTWF » Fri May 05, 2023 9:04 am

SubRivers wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:53 pm
About 4 years ago I had 32 tunesat detections on MTV and a some sister channels over a few days - each 15secs long of a promo for some up coming show/event at the w/e.

Never saw any royalties for it.
Why is this even legal?? :shock: I hope Marco will see something from his 970 detections.
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Re: Belated April Fool's?

Post by superkons » Sat May 06, 2023 4:47 am

CTWF wrote:
Fri May 05, 2023 9:04 am
SubRivers wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:53 pm
About 4 years ago I had 32 tunesat detections on MTV and a some sister channels over a few days - each 15secs long of a promo for some up coming show/event at the w/e.

Never saw any royalties for it.
Why is this even legal?? :shock: I hope Marco will see something from his 970 detections.
Thank you for the confidence :)
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