Cleared AI-generated vocals

[Casey H]

I've had a lot of luck with using AI vocals to replace my crappy vocals, then I can use this as a demo on AirGigs to have an actual vocalist do a vocal. Prices range from 100 to 300, but there are some excellent singers on there. My favorite has been Sean Killeen. I'd post an example but that feels like shameless self-promotion.

Right now, I think that's the best use of AI vocals-- make the guide vocal for a hired vocalist.

Casey

[CTWF]

I've had a lot of luck with using AI vocals to replace my crappy vocals, then I can use this as a demo on AirGigs to have an actual vocalist do a vocal. Prices range from 100 to 300, but there are some excellent singers on there. My favorite has been Sean Killeen. I'd post an example but that feels like shameless self-promotion.

IMO that is a very good use of a AI as a production tool!

[CTWF]

I've had a lot of luck with using AI vocals to replace my crappy vocals, then I can use this as a demo on AirGigs to have an actual vocalist do a vocal. Prices range from 100 to 300, but there are some excellent singers on there. My favorite has been Sean Killeen. I'd post an example but that feels like shameless self-promotion.

Right now, I think that's the best use of AI vocals-- make the guide vocal for a hired vocalist.

Casey

Oops, you beat me to it.

[CTWF]

..... it possibly won’t be all that long before the first libraries accept AI vocals.

Potential problems include:
- The competition from other producers who can't sing or play (or produce) would increase massively, without paying singers and players.
- Libraries would be able to generate their own content without paying producers.
- TV companies would be able to generate their own content without paying libraries or PROs
- AI companies would be able to saturate the market with their content without paying anyone (other than lawyers).
- Also, a zillion kids from all over the world are growing up with AI and will soon be able to generate whatever audio and video content they want anyway, with no need for TV companies or libraries, or producers or PROs.

Against that backdrop, I don't think that having a few AI generated songs/vocals will be much currency. Neither will anything that I produce, but at least I'll have had fun making it and will be proud of it being my own creation using 100% HI .

I am not sure it will get there - even if it is just about energy costs being prohibitive. But has there ever been greater uncertainty about the immediate technological future than now?

[CTWF]

Someone wrote this on Reddit (emphasis added):

I think it's naive to believe that corporations won't resort to using AI to generate soundtracks or create music for sync. Why pay an actual artist to use their song in a commercial or on a show when you can generate one that sounds similar enough. They already instruct composers to dupe famous songs because they can't afford the sync fees to get that song, so they have a composer make one that sounds similar. So now instead of having a human get paid to do that, we'll have AI doing that.

AI isn't going to replace human musicians, but it's going to be a pretext to cut them out of opportunities they have now because "we just don't have the budget for a human composer."

[BradleyHagen]

I am going to go WAY Old School on this topic, so if you do not agree, I am sorry, this is just MY opinion... Don't have hurt feelings... AI is here to stay in this industry, just like synthesizers, ADATs, Sampling, and everything else in the past that once was chagrined, and has eventually been accepted.
Personally? I think it is BS...... How can you possibly feel good about a track or vocals that AI basically created or helped you create?? That isn't ART!!! It isn't SONGWRITING! The same goes for ChatGPT lyrics..... do you really feel good about those at the end of the day when you listen back?? There is an argument that AI is OK as an "Idea Generator," but I find that pretty weak... You are either a creative that comes up with your own music and lyrics, or you are not!
I ran into a guy recently that had a pretty cool retro soul type of track, and he basically admitted that he had Suno create the entire song, and then went in and performed his own parts, mostly via MIDI, with the Suno track as a reference. I told him "Thats great!" "You are basically an AI cover band!" I don't know man, maybe I am old school, but I don't like the trend one bit...

[CTWF]

There is an argument that AI is OK as an "Idea Generator," but I find that pretty weak...

I think that is already a common use of AI — and I don’t necessarily mean in music production. But I am with you to an extent. For instance, I have never understood how someone can be proud to have won a car race or a motorbike race - they did not even run it themselves and used a machine instead! Still, tools are being used everywhere in crafts, and AI is and will be used as a tool. Just like the speed in racing went up, the quality of songs will go up because everyone will be at least at AI level.

[telefunkin]

I am going to go WAY Old School on this topic, so if you do not agree, I am sorry, this is just MY opinion... Don't have hurt feelings... AI is here to stay in this industry, just like synthesizers, ADATs, Sampling, and everything else in the past that once was chagrined, and has eventually been accepted.
Personally? I think it is BS...... How can you possibly feel good about a track or vocals that AI basically created or helped you create?? That isn't ART!!! It isn't SONGWRITING! The same goes for ChatGPT lyrics..... do you really feel good about those at the end of the day when you listen back?? There is an argument that AI is OK as an "Idea Generator," but I find that pretty weak... You are either a creative that comes up with your own music and lyrics, or you are not!
I ran into a guy recently that had a pretty cool retro soul type of track, and he basically admitted that he had Suno create the entire song, and then went in and performed his own parts, mostly via MIDI, with the Suno track as a reference. I told him "Thats great!" "You are basically an AI cover band!" I don't know man, maybe I am old school, but I don't like the trend one bit...

I'm 100% with that Brad! I wrote much the same about the art and creativity side of things in my earlier post, but it developed into a bit of a rant so I erased it. However, it is how I feel right now (hence, my signature below), and if it turns out that the earth isn't flat after all, then I'll just have to cling on .

[Casey H]

I agree that it's not art if AI did much of the work a far as chords, melody, and/or lyrics.

However, it's no different than other resources such as songwriting books/on-line tools, etc., IF you use it for suggesting a title, chord pattern, a word or phrase here and there, etc. That's as far as I take it.

As far as "Idea Generation", if the idea is suggesting something to write about, cool. If it's writing some or all of the song for you, not so cool. Sometimes I'm stuck as to what to say, concept-wise, in the 2nd verse of a song. I might look general concepts that fit. That's no different than me consulting on a song with a 1:1 song consultant, screener, peer reviewer, and so on. Again, I wouldn't use exact words at all, just let it point me in a direction.

And, as discussed before, using it for a GUIDE vocal is a great way to use the technology.

I don't want my name on a song I didn't write. Just like I wouldn't want a World Series championship ring if I got it by cheating.

Casey

[BradleyHagen]

I agree that it's not art if AI did much of the work a far as chords, melody, and/or lyrics.

However, it's no different than other resources such as songwriting books/on-line tools, etc., IF you use it for suggesting a title, chord pattern, a word or phrase here and there, etc. That's as far as I take it.

As far as "Idea Generation", if the idea is suggesting something to write about, cool. If it's writing some or all of the song for you, not so cool. Sometimes I'm stuck as to what to say, concept-wise, in the 2nd verse of a song. I might look general concepts that fit. That's no different than me consulting on a song with a 1:1 song consultant, screener, peer reviewer, and so on. Again, I wouldn't use exact words at all, just let it point me in a direction.

And, as discussed before, using it for a GUIDE vocal is a great way to use the technology.

I don't want my name on a song I didn't write. Just like I wouldn't want a World Series championship ring if I got it by cheating.

Casey

Yeah, that is fair Casey..... I actually have a "Song Starter" type of book that just throws out subject matter and phrases to write around, and I have also used Masterwriter in the past when stuck, so how is that so different from ChatGPT generated lyric IDEAS? I guess I am cool with that, but not so cool about having Suno come up with entire songs and melodies. We all have our boundaries though I suppose....