Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

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Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

Post by Gillihan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:40 am

What vocal mic is y'all's favorite and why? looking to get a really quality yet affordable one. I use AKG perception mics . I have a few different models ( great for acoustic instruments) but looking for something more for vocals :geek: :ugeek: .

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Re: Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

Post by AlanHall » Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:29 pm

I think many responses will state it depends quite a bit on the singer and their vocal style, as well as the genre of music.

My only "quality" mic is an AT4050 large-diaphragm condenser with switchable polar patterns, with rolloff and pad switches. I use a pair for all kinds of acoustic recording, and I also use one for vocals - when I want as pristine a sound as I can get. When I'm NOT looking for jazzy clean vocals, I might grab a kick drum mic or an SM58 (of course!) and put some live-concert-esque signal chain FX on it. I guess my M.O. is to experiment with what I have, and read up on what others have done.

Are you aiming for a particular vocal target sound? More details will help zero in on the responses you get.

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Re: Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

Post by Gillihan » Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm

I am looking for mostly a good country and rock vocal sound. I get a pretty good one with my AKG's like I said. It just seems like them new country vocals are a mile wide and 4miles deeper!! lol you can here the emotion right down to the saliva in their mouth. I can get a lot like it with mix down (penciling in volume etc in places) but everything sounds better if it goes to hard drive that way to begin with and then tweaking is enhancement beyond. examples: Morgan Wallen's newest stuff, And Zack Williams last album is amazing vocal tones ..Blake Shelton "boy's round here"

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Re: Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

Post by AlanHall » Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:24 am

Gillihan wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm
It just seems like them new country vocals are a mile wide and 4miles deeper!! lol you can here the emotion right down to the saliva in their mouth. examples: Morgan Wallen's newest stuff, And Zack Williams last album is amazing vocal tones ..Blake Shelton "boy's round here"
Yes! It may be that a deep dive into modern Nashville vocal recording chains is indicated here. There are a few folks on the forum with Nashville roots, and others that have studied the techniques. I recommend starting another thread with that flagged for discussion. In the meantime, I hope folks chime in here. My assumption is that a large-diaphragm condenser is used for male vocals in the studio, but a good second choice would be a purpose-built built mic like the RE-20, used the world over in broadcast studios to get that classic 'voiceover announcer' vibe. Whatever mic you use, work it to see where position (close<->far), angle (dead on<->across the mic), gain (padding) can be used for good results. I'm tempted to speak above my experience level and say that a lot of what you hear is in the signal chain downstream of the mic: choice of preamp (tube or not), de-esser, compression, etc.. Hoping to get some good contributions to this discussion, I'd like to be educated a bit here too! ;)

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Re: Ribbon, tube or plain condenser ?

Post by Gillihan » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:15 am

AlanHall wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:24 am
Gillihan wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:42 pm
It just seems like them new country vocals are a mile wide and 4miles deeper!! lol you can here the emotion right down to the saliva in their mouth. examples: Morgan Wallen's newest stuff, And Zack Williams last album is amazing vocal tones ..Blake Shelton "boy's round here"
Yes! It may be that a deep dive into modern Nashville vocal recording chains is indicated here. There are a few folks on the forum with Nashville roots, and others that have studied the techniques. I recommend starting another thread with that flagged for discussion. In the meantime, I hope folks chime in here. My assumption is that a large-diaphragm condenser is used for male vocals in the studio, but a good second choice would be a purpose-built built mic like the RE-20, used the world over in broadcast studios to get that classic 'voiceover announcer' vibe. Whatever mic you use, work it to see where position (close<->far), angle (dead on<->across the mic), gain (padding) can be used for good results. I'm tempted to speak above my experience level and say that a lot of what you hear is in the signal chain downstream of the mic: choice of preamp (tube or not), de-esser, compression, etc.. Hoping to get some good contributions to this discussion, I'd like to be educated a bit here too! ;)
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