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Do show trailers/promos pay any royalty?

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:43 pm
by Telefunkin
Hi folks,
I've lurked for some time without posting but I know what you're all up to ;)

I've just noticed that Tunesat is showing about 40 plays of a co-write (with my good mate cosmicdolphin) and it looks like its from a trailer for a show on CNN (a promo featuring an excerpt from an upcoming episode). I've searched on the forums and it seems to be heads or tails whether trailers generate any royalties, but if anyone has a more definite answer on that I'd be interested to know. Either way though, I'm happy to have the placement, and especially if it means the track is used in the actual episode that's featured in the trailer.

Cheers,
Graham.

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:29 pm
by SubRivers
Presuming that you mean the kind of trailer that are promo ads for upcoming tv shows.

I have had two of those kind of placements and the second one just paid but the first one didn't.
Both seemed to be on decent channels where I have seen payments before.

Just checked back and noticed that the paying placement was a network channel and the other a cable.
No idea if that is relevant but it's 50/50 for me so far.

Actually asked the same question around the time I saw the first one crop up on tunesat but got no responses to it.

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:31 pm
by cassmcentee
I honestly Don't know
JP's post Could be of help: topic145721.html

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:09 am
by Telefunkin
Thanks fellas. Seems its still heads or tails.

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 am
by Telefunkin
I eventually found the answer myself whilst browsing through info on the BMI website (my PRO). In a section describing non-payment sources it says that they don't make payments for promotional announcements. Oh well, it would have been nice to see something back for those forty-two broadcasts but never mind :).

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:03 pm
by Casey H
Sounds like you mean promos, not trailers. I don't know a lot about it but I have heard some people have had trouble getting paid for promos and they've had to do a lot of their own leg work to get paid. You might want to call your PRO and discuss it with someone there. Most PROs don't accept Tunesat detections as proof of broadcast but there may be other ways.

Good luck!
:D Casey

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:30 am
by CTWF
Telefunkin wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 am
Oh well, it would have been nice to see something back for those forty-two broadcasts but never mind :).
Wow, that would be insane if there was no money coming from that!

In any case, congrats to you and Mark!

Tom

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:33 am
by cosmicdolphin
CTWF wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:30 am
Wow, that would be insane if there was no money coming from that!
There were over 100 detected plays in the end.

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:50 am
by Telefunkin
Thanks Casey. I wasn't sure what to call it when they run a little section of an upcoming show. Perhaps using the word 'trailer' was a bad choice that could confuse a lot of people. I've edited the thread title now to include the word 'promos'.

I could be wrong (and strangely that happens a lot) but the answer seems pretty clear judging by the BMI info.

Thanks for updating me on the fact that we'll miss out on >100 plays now Mark (Cosmicdolphin, the cowriter on this track) :roll: ;). It'll be interesting to see whether your PRO (not BMI) picks it up. I hope so.

Re: Do show trailers pay any royalty?

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:22 am
by SubRivers
Interesting find!

I thought it explained my limited promo experience but checked again and both promos were on cable channels (MTV (nothing) & Paramount Network (paid))

I am with PRS and the payment come via BMI under "USA (BMI) General & Broadcasting" and both tracks in question were originally registered under BMI by a US publisher.

So still confused!
btw - the Paramount promo that paid out had only 2 TS detections - the MTV one had 32 and if it had paid out at the same rate it would have been close to $1K.

Not complaining as MTV have been my biggest payer.

Just curious.