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"Instrumentals used will receive credits during airplay, end credits, and your web site link posted on show."I just submitted some music to a listing with this info. Does anybody know or, is anybody else familiar with this listing? Credits and a website posting is fine but, it doesn't really pay the bills. Anybody?

Oct 29, 2009, 5:17am, pb wrote:"Instrumentals used will receive credits during airplay, end credits, and your web site link posted on show."I just submitted some music to a listing with this info. Does anybody know or, is anybody else familiar with this listing? Credits and a website posting is fine but, it doesn't really pay the bills. Anybody?I think the listing is what it is. It lets you know that the value in getting selected here is exposure, not money. There is, however, value in adding credits to your bio, especially if you haven't had any placements yet. Whenever I submit music to anyone, I put in a very brief blurb with credits. You get more listens that way. So indirectly, something like this CAN help you earn down the road.For artists as opposed to pure film/TV composers, pure exposure has more value. Getting your songs played can only help.For film/TV folks, if you are someone who already has credits to your name, it may not be as worthwhile to submit. Sometimes I submit to a listing just to test the waters and see what screeners think-- hopefully a different screener. That way I collect more opinions on the same piece, even if only Y/N with a checkbox. Everyone is different as to whether or not that is worth $5. Casey

"value in getting selected here is exposure, not money."Casey, thanks for taking the time man. It is as I thought after all.I've burned a lot more than ten bucks on any given Friday night at the Wild Horse B&G on beerz. And that was for nothing really. When I was 14 YO, my band used to play a lot of free-be's. Our booking agent used to tell us "it's good exposure! Take the gig!". Until about three years later when all the churches and local clubs would call and ask us to play for "exposure". It wasn't until I started playing solo piano in restaurants and night clubs that I realized I needed to earn some money playing my music. Believe me. I would play for nothing if I knew I could have all my bills paid and enjoy a few beerz on a Friday night etc..etc...

After thirty-odd years of paid gigs, here's what I'll do for "exposure": I'll drop my pants.

You will receive performance royalties for TV airplay. I've licensed plenty of stuff for "free" and made a killing off the royalties.

For example MTV's "Real World"... no upfront licensing fee but when your music appears you get a little onscreen credit as the song is playing and your music is part of the MTV website (along with the other musician/artists). Of course you get royalties whenever the show airs which *can* add up... repeats, airings in foreign countries, etc.I have a clip somewhere with Jacqueline's MTV song appearance on Real World (a great song too)... I'll have to dig it up and post it as an example (if I can find it).

Oct 29, 2009, 5:17am, pb wrote:"Instrumentals used will receive credits during airplay, end credits, and your web site link posted on show."I just submitted some music to a listing with this info. Does anybody know or, is anybody else familiar with this listing? Credits and a website posting is fine but, it doesn't really pay the bills. Anybody?This is a serious problem in the industry and it's not getting any better. Music is undervalued (try NO VALUE) and composers are being taken advantage of because it's the norm. Why is it that all others involved in the production are getting paid something and composers are expected to get only credit???It's our own fault because we keep accepting these gigs. And if we turn it down, there are 10,000 other composers standing in line will to do it.Respect yourself and ask for *something* up front. Put some value in your work. If you don't, then why should anyone else?Steve

Nov 14, 2009, 12:00pm, mojobone wrote:After thirty-odd years of paid gigs, here's what I'll do for "exposure": I'll drop my pants. Good one Mojo! I agree with Steve.... but I guess the law of supply and demand has been stretched to it's maximum.. (or maybe not, will we be paying people to use our music?)I dont have the answers, but I'm not going to give my music away (except to torture my family!).Marlin