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Beats Per Minute

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:17 pm
by Merryband1
I just posted a link to this site on the General Hangout under 4:30 AM and a Tip, but in case people don't see that, I thought I'd post a link here, too. While I was looking to find out how many beats per minute were in a song reference for one of the listings, I found:

Song BPM.

You only have to enter a composer or performer name and the title of the song, and, if they've analyzed it already, it'll tell you how many beats per minute that particular recording has. (Sometimes groups will do more than one version. I found three or four for the Chieftains doing a version of Cancion Mixteca, for example. Unfortunately, it hadn't analyzed the two groups that were listed in the references, but, hey, at least it's a ballpark figure.)

When writing to the listing, and you suspect a song supervisor wants something in the same tempo as the reference track, now you can get a clue how fast or slow to set your metronome in your DAW or composing software.

Hope you find this as helpful as I think I'm going to!

Merry

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:55 pm
by marcblack30
I use this tap for BPM tool all the time to find tempos. Just tap along!
https://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm

Cheers,
Marc

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:13 pm
by VanderBoegh
I use this tap for BPM tool all the time to find tempos. Just tap along!
That's the same BPM tapper website I use all the time too, Mark. I've got it bookmarked in Safari cuz I use it so often.

~~Matt

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:51 pm
by Merryband1
Thanks, Marc & Matt! I'll give that site a try, too! I want to get the tempo for the submission just right! :)

Merry

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:07 pm
by Casey H
That songbpm site seems a bit inaccurate from the few songs I tried. The Beatles Let It Be shows as 143. Even assuming it's off by a factor of 2, that would be 71.5 which is a bit fast for the song. I think it's more like 66. That being said, for most of our purposes, this doesn't have to be perfect. :D

BTW, if you have the mp3 or wav for a song, this free program is pretty good at giving you it's BPM...
https://download.cnet.com/MixMeister-BP ... 90906.html

With any BPM analyzer, sometimes you have to adjust by a factor of 2.

:D Casey

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:04 am
by CTWF
Questions for the pros on here, is the exact bpm that important? Casey seems to imply not really, and if several references are given, different bpm could occur, I suppose?

Usually, to determine bpm, I stomp along with the song, then keep the rhythm and compare with a metronome on my keyboard until I have a match. Not very precise, but if we compose, shouldn't we adjust the beat to the specific piece? At the moment, I work on something, where the (for me relevant) reference is 90 bpm, but my own piece seems to require 92-93 to sound alright. :)

Another (exact!) method to determine bpm:
Copy the mp3 in your DAW/processor, measure the time x between (relevant) beats, then calculate bpm = 60/x. If you converted YouTube to MP3, delete the mp3 afterwards, of course. :mrgreen: We should not dowload anything, I suppose, but then these other programs/methods must do that somehow too, right?

EDIT: Actually, regarding my metronome method, one can obviously keep the song playing (say, on YouTube) and let the keyboard (I have a Yamaha) metronome click along and adjust it, until they EXACTLY match. So, this is an exact method, too.

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:45 am
by VanderBoegh
I think you guys may be overcomplicating the process. Really, just load up this website: https://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm then hit the space bar along with the beat as the music plays. Just do that for about 5 seconds. That's all you need to do!

And sometimes there's wiggle room in BPM in regards to the reference tracks. Sometimes, libraries are just looking to build their catalog of music, and just need something in the same vein - which implies a relatively close'ish BPM to the reference tracks, probably within about 7-8 BPM on either side.

However, there are plenty of times where a temp track has already been placed in a scene or commercial and the video has been edited to the beat of the music. In those cases, you have to compose to the EXACT BPM of the ref track, otherwise the music won't match up to the editing.

Lastly, some styles of music have pretty strict tempo guidelines that it doesn't make sense to deviate from. For example, EDM hits either 128 or 126 BPM. Dubstep (does anyone still make this anymore?) is nearly always 140. Modern trap hip hop music is typically around 70'ish. Old school hip hop is around 90. This is where it pays to know your styles inside & out!

~~Matt

Re: Beats Per Minute

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:26 pm
by Merryband1
All great replies & Ideas. Thanks, guys!

I'm wanting to know for one of those direct-to-supervisor listings, so they may have already filmed & edited to a track. However, if that's the case, it's confusing, because the first reference track is in 4/4, and the other two are in 3/4. :?: I plan to do one of each, just in case. 8-)

Merry