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The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:50 am
by gitanosoy
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Feedback:
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I have had enough rejections to understand what an "Developing arc" means but again confused about this listing and what was required, no where did it say "developing arc" or "by taking layers/instruments in and out", it even said you can submit solo instrument track so how can you add layers and/instruments if you summited a solo track. Maybe I should specify that it is not a cue because it is just over 2 minutes.
Again just trying to battle this "developing arc" issue and find the answer to this haunting puzzle.
Please have a listen to my track and read the feedback . If I get through screener #416 one day I will pop a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne...lol!
thank you.
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:26 am
by cassmcentee
On a quick 60 second listen...
To me it felt like a long introduction without a real groove or a definable melody.
We usually have to get into the melody and groove within the first few seconds.
My ears didn't hear it going in any real direction, sorry.
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:37 am
by funsongs
Hey, Andre - not my gig or wheelhouse (Instrumental Cues) - so, in light of the return comments, here's one old pair of ears' opinion:
Cut out the 8 seconds of 2nd half of the Intro :10-:18 (impatient ears want to hear it move, sooner);
and then, I was also ready for something 'new' (a synth pad?) by the 1:00 mark.
I can sorta-kinda understand the 'too repetitive' remark from #416.
Hopefully - all of that is received in the context of making your composition into the RIGHT piece, for the listing.
That seems to be the toughest hurdle - regardless of the number of the Screener, eh?
HTH, Peter
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:46 pm
by andygabrys
Interesting tune.
IMO:
A listing doesn't need to say "developing arc".
That is a common thing with every piece of music you have ever heard.
It's formulaic and it works
Statement > develop it with more variations take the listener on a journey > make the statement again > end.
This can work for an ensemble piece (think of Beethoven's Fifth symphony)
This can work for a solo instrument (think of Moonlight Sonata for example).
As for your piece:
The initial percussion sets up one thing. Then you have some muted guitar picking. Then when the louder guitar comes in, its doing another thing which doesn't necessarily agree with the phrasing and phrase length of what was already there. The mix needs work level wise to me as well - you could bring the louder guitar down so it was more in the plane of the muted guitar and percussion.
So although you might have had a compositional framework you were working within, its a little hard to figure out what that is, and even where the downbeat of each measure is.
The the screener mentioned no addition of bass etc. That addition would help it develop.
Screener mentions too repetitive. Sometimes that can happen with compositions that don't have a binary form (A:B) that are just A, A, A, A, A. To make those work you need to use addition / removal of instruments, or parts, or density of notes to help it feel like its going someplace.
I bet with some minimal work you can make this piece work and make it feel like its going somewhere.
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:14 pm
by gitanosoy
Thank you Cass, Peter and Andy for taking the time listening and commenting...yes I will improve it.
Yes Andy you are right Moonlight Sonata is piano only but it moves....Beethoven my favorite and I didn't know that "developing arc" was a formula always as sometimes they really specify in a listing, now I know.
thank you again it was really helpful.
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:09 pm
by andygabrys
gitanosoy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:14 pm
......"developing arc" was a formula always as sometimes they really specify in a listing.......
If you start listening to music for what the structure is you will hear it all over the place and you really start to know what development is.
I read someplace that our ears like structure - so if you listen to music that has a good structure it tends to make sense.
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:57 am
by Kolstad
Developing arc is a terminology that is borrowed from litterature. You can think of your track as a story, with characters that has voices (protagonist = main melody/ antagonist = counter melody) ect.
So, for inspiration you can search for author tools to develop your tracks. Here is an example:
https://www.nownovel.com/blog/understan ... lling-arc/
Re: The haunting "Developing arc"....
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:47 am
by gitanosoy
Thank you Kolstad, I really appreciate it.