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We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by johndalenow » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:53 pm

Thanks in advance for taking the time to comment. Best!

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Lots of NEWS INSTRUMENTALS are needed by a U.K. Music Licensing Company with GREAT Worldwide Distribution and lots of awesome placements in Film and TV!

NOTE: We previously ran this request as TAXI Dispatch Listing #D211110NF, but the Company didn't find what they were looking for. If you submitted to listing #D211110NF, please send different material this time around.

This Company is searching for Mid-to-Up-Tempo Instrumentals in the general stylistic wheelhouse of the following references:

Fox News Theme Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wmMt2PT6Jg

CNN Theme Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-0SjcTL9M

ABC News Theme Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRI4URjw40U

Quoting the Company: "We're looking for Instrumentals that would work well for current affairs-based news segments, news stingers, radio news, etc."

Please send modern News Instrumentals with exciting intros that drop into engaging, textured underscores and finish out with bold stinger endings. High-quality Orchestral instrumentation paired with Electronic or Rock elements will probably be your best bet for this pitch. Please be sure that your production and any virtual instruments or samples you use are top-notch and modern. You'd be wise to stick to one motif during the underscore portion of your tracks, and create a subtle sense of dynamics by layering instrumentation in and out as they progress. Remember, these Instrumentals will be used under dialogue, so you don't want them to be so busy that they're distracting.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This company has a strong preference for signing material from composers who have worked for libraries and licensing companies in the past and understand how standard music library deals work. If you don't have that experience and you don't know the drill on typical deals, then they politely ask that you don't submit to this request.

NOTE: This Company will need alternate versions of your tracks (without intro, intro only, without endings, ending only, etc.), as well, but not yet! All you need to submit for now are the Full Instrumentals, but please have alternate versions on hand and ready to send at a moment’s notice if you get a call or email from the Company. If you don’t have the ability to get the alternate versions in their hands within an hour after being contacted, please don’t submit for this!

All submissions should be about 2 to 4 minutes in length, give or take. Non-faded, stinger endings are required for this request. Do NOT copy the referenced examples in any way, shape, or form. Use them only as a general guide for tempo, tone, and overall vibe. Broadcast Quality is needed.

This company offers an EXCLUSIVE deal, so please be sure the Instrumentals (or Cues) you pitch for this opportunity are NOT already signed with other Companies or Catalogs. You'll get 100% of the Writer's share, and the Publisher will get 100% of the Publisher's share. You must own or control your Master and Copyright to submit. Please submit as many Instrumentals as you’d like, online or per CD. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI. Submissions must be received no later than 11:59 PM (PST) on Saturday, December 18th, 2021. TAXI # S211218NW

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by Telefunkin » Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:43 pm

In a genuine effort to be helpful, I'm sorry to say that I think this is a long way off.

First, the listing says...
"We're looking for Instrumentals that would work well for current affairs-based news segments, news stingers, radio news, etc." Please send modern News Instrumentals with exciting intros that drop into engaging, textured underscores and finish out with bold stinger endings. High-quality Orchestral instrumentation paired with Electronic or Rock elements will probably be your best bet for this pitch. Please be sure that your production and any virtual instruments or samples you use are top-notch and modern. You'd be wise to stick to one motif during the underscore portion of your tracks, and create a subtle sense of dynamics by layering instrumentation in and out as they progress. Remember, these Instrumentals will be used under dialogue, so you don't want them to be so busy that they're distracting.

Then the refs them selves are mainly orchestral based with big bold real sounds that are timeless (not dated), The third ref is more hybrid but still sounds modern. They are all intended to be used for current affairs, not past affairs, or for news not 'olds' :). By comparison, 'We Know' comes across as synth based, using dated sounds, and it fails to meet the listing requirements on all the highlighted sections above (plus there are also some timing issues).

I'd say that it is absolutely vital to read listings, listen to ref tracks and pick out the detail, then to A/B your work with the refs. Without doing that all the effort producing a track is likely to be wasted.

Again, I'm saying these things in an attempt to be helpful, and I genuinely do hope they help.
Graham (UK). Still composing a little faster than decomposing, and 100% HI.

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by johndalenow » Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:29 pm

Telefunkin wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:43 pm
In a genuine effort to be helpful, I'm sorry to say that I think this is a long way off.

First, the listing says...
"We're looking for Instrumentals that would work well for current affairs-based news segments, news stingers, radio news, etc." Please send modern News Instrumentals with exciting intros that drop into engaging, textured underscores and finish out with bold stinger endings. High-quality Orchestral instrumentation paired with Electronic or Rock elements will probably be your best bet for this pitch. Please be sure that your production and any virtual instruments or samples you use are top-notch and modern. You'd be wise to stick to one motif during the underscore portion of your tracks, and create a subtle sense of dynamics by layering instrumentation in and out as they progress. Remember, these Instrumentals will be used under dialogue, so you don't want them to be so busy that they're distracting.

Then the refs them selves are mainly orchestral based with big bold real sounds that are timeless (not dated), The third ref is more hybrid but still sounds modern. They are all intended to be used for current affairs, not past affairs, or for news not 'olds' :). By comparison, 'We Know' comes across as synth based, using dated sounds, and it fails to meet the listing requirements on all the highlighted sections above (plus there are also some timing issues).

I'd say that it is absolutely vital to read listings, listen to ref tracks and pick out the detail, then to A/B your work with the refs. Without doing that all the effort producing a track is likely to be wasted.

Again, I'm saying these things in an attempt to be helpful, and I genuinely do hope they help.
Thank you for taking the time to be so thorough. I appreciate your perspective and will make some adjustments and changes. We genuinely have a difference in the evaluation of the word "dated," especially regarding how it applies to the references. To my ears the first two refs are definitely old school and very dated sounding, but I can benefit from some of your other observations, so I thank you kindly. Best, and Happy Holidays.

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by Telefunkin » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:12 am

johndalenow wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:29 pm
We genuinely have a difference in the evaluation of the word "dated," especially regarding how it applies to the references. To my ears the first two refs are definitely old school and very dated sounding,
Its always a difficult thing, and open to a lot of subjective interpretation, but FWIW my take is this....orchestral instruments such as violins, cellos, horns etc have not changed in a long time so when you hear them you can't pin them down to a specific time frame (although the production and playing style might give that away). However, when you hear synths from past decades their sounds immediately give away their vintage, and even modern recreations do the same. I rarely hear an orchestra and think "1980s", but that happens a lot with synth sounds. Many can even pick out the synth they came from (Prophet 5, DX7 etc).

When listening to those refs, the orchestral style might be pompous and 'old school' (your description) but that style is still in common use to carry gravitas for news reports so is accepted as being current, and the orchestral instruments used don't signify any particular time-frame. I might be wrong, but I don't think you'll find any music that's currently being used for news reports that heavily features vintage synth sounds.

More generally, the only way to get forwards is to submit what is asked for, and even if you totally disagree with all I've said here (which is fine, its only my opinion), it must still be difficult to honestly say that you think 'We Know' sounds like those refs and adheres to the listing.

I hope someone else comments on this too and offers their perspective.
Graham (UK). Still composing a little faster than decomposing, and 100% HI.

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by Casey H » Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:28 am

Trivial comment. :ugeek: Titles matter (I've made a lot of mistakes that way in the past). If you are pitching something as a TV news theme, "We Know" isn't a very "news-y" title. Won't matter for this listing's forward/return but something to keep in mind.

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by cosmicdolphin » Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:54 am

Hi Jon

It doesn't come across news-like at all to me and neither is it " top-notch and modern " sounding. It sounds like a sub par 80s or 90s synth piece with poor timing and production.

I thkn you need to go back to the drawing board to have any chance with this listing.

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by DouglasKnight » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:25 am

I would agree that the piece isn't ready for submission yet, but also think that it's a good start and has a lot of potential. To my ears, there's a bit more going on that you need at any one time, so I'd try stripping it down to the basics and keeping only the essential parts. I also think the drums could be stronger and that the bass part could lock in better with the drums and be less busy. Keep working on it! All the best, Doug

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Post by johndalenow » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:44 am

DouglasKnight wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:25 am
I would agree that the piece isn't ready for submission yet, but also think that it's a good start and has a lot of potential. To my ears, there's a bit more going on that you need at any one time, so I'd try stripping it down to the basics and keeping only the essential parts. I also think the drums could be stronger and that the bass part could lock in better with the drums and be less busy. Keep working on it! All the best, Doug
Thanks, Doug. Best! John

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Re: We Know (TV News Theme)

Post by Paulie » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:04 am

Fun musically speaking, but the sounds used are very dated, this sounds like a Casio keyboard. The bass line reminds me of "Billie Jean" a bit. ;) The drums are very synthetic and too far back in the mix, while the lead synth is a little hot. It would be interesting to me to keep the music but replace all of the sounds with something like Omnisphere or Nexus patches to get a more modern sound, along with some more current drums.
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