Work For Hire Question
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Work For Hire Question
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Can I submit a song to a library that has a contributing musician but no WFH from that musician?
A WFH has been requested but no response
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Can I submit a song to a library that has a contributing musician but no WFH from that musician?
A WFH has been requested but no response
Thanks
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Re: Work For Hire Question
Their worksheet will likely ask if there are other musicians on the recording and if so do you have WFH agreements with them. You either need WFH agreements or they'll need to be co-writers. That's my experience at least.
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Right, I have someone who was paid for his work but has not returned the WFH, not cool
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Re: Work For Hire Question
I also have the same question. I have several songs with features. Luckily for me, most of my features come from Fiverr.com which grants all rights over to the buyer once payment is confirmed unless stated otherwise in seller's gig description. Therefore, it is a work for hire but I do have some features without any written agreement
Hopefully this isn't a stumbling block for me
Hopefully this isn't a stumbling block for me
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Yeah - seems there needs to be some provision when it is not possible to get one (or more) of the releases - due to death, lost contact, lack of response, etc.SeanieRanz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 amI also have the same question. I have several songs with features. Luckily for me, most of my features come from Fiverr.com which grants all rights over to the buyer once payment is confirmed unless stated otherwise in seller's gig description. Therefore, it is a work for hire but I do have some features without any written agreement
Hopefully this isn't a stumbling block for me
It doesn't seem right or fair to let one party - for whatever reason - stagnate an entire project. Having proof-of-payment to the party - now unavailable -
ought to suffice.
I rely heavily on hired 'professionals', so this is an ongoing concern; as I imagine it is for many who have, and want to submit, older masters from their work catalogue.
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Yeah it can be a bummer but from a publisher's point of view it's not their problem and they will find what they need elsewhere because why would they take that risk? That's what the term "one stop" is all about. If you're planning on submitting to publishers, always get wfh agreements signed, preferably before the work gets done. As always, this is my experience fwiw...funsongs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:42 amYeah - seems there needs to be some provision when it is not possible to get one (or more) of the releases - due to death, lost contact, lack of response, etc.SeanieRanz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 amI also have the same question. I have several songs with features. Luckily for me, most of my features come from Fiverr.com which grants all rights over to the buyer once payment is confirmed unless stated otherwise in seller's gig description. Therefore, it is a work for hire but I do have some features without any written agreement
Hopefully this isn't a stumbling block for me
It doesn't seem right or fair to let one party - for whatever reason - stagnate an entire project. Having proof-of-payment to the party - now unavailable -
ought to suffice.
I rely heavily on hired 'professionals', so this is an ongoing concern; as I imagine it is for many who have, and want to submit, older masters from their work catalogue.
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Well... yeah... OR: BEFORE PAYING THEM!... can you say 'incentive'?
I will certainly do that the next time.
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Thanks everyone, this has been helpful and hope it helps someone else
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What if it's not a work for hire collaboration and the artists you worked with want to be compensated for the work? Does that complicate things for the libraries? I'm currently working on having the various artists I've worked with sign paperwork saying they own a % of the song with their PRO info in hopes that will make it easier for the publishereeoo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:34 pmYeah it can be a bummer but from a publisher's point of view it's not their problem and they will find what they need elsewhere because why would they take that risk? That's what the term "one stop" is all about. If you're planning on submitting to publishers, always get wfh agreements signed, preferably before the work gets done. As always, this is my experience fwiw...funsongs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:42 amYeah - seems there needs to be some provision when it is not possible to get one (or more) of the releases - due to death, lost contact, lack of response, etc.SeanieRanz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:22 amI also have the same question. I have several songs with features. Luckily for me, most of my features come from Fiverr.com which grants all rights over to the buyer once payment is confirmed unless stated otherwise in seller's gig description. Therefore, it is a work for hire but I do have some features without any written agreement
Hopefully this isn't a stumbling block for me
It doesn't seem right or fair to let one party - for whatever reason - stagnate an entire project. Having proof-of-payment to the party - now unavailable -
ought to suffice.
I rely heavily on hired 'professionals', so this is an ongoing concern; as I imagine it is for many who have, and want to submit, older masters from their work catalogue.
2 cents from The Peanut Gallery.
Your mileage may vary.
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Take this from a "not expert";
what I've heard/read is that any contributor not signing a WFH agreement must have a PRO, so that splits can be assigned. Additionally, it's easier on the libs if the co-writers have also signed a document allowing you to negotiate licensing the works on their behalf. I'm not sure what legal items need be checked off on a doc like that.
what I've heard/read is that any contributor not signing a WFH agreement must have a PRO, so that splits can be assigned. Additionally, it's easier on the libs if the co-writers have also signed a document allowing you to negotiate licensing the works on their behalf. I'm not sure what legal items need be checked off on a doc like that.
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