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"YES" fans: IN THE ROUND Concert!

Post by ernstinen » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:38 pm

Hey all,

I guess I show my rock and classical roots most clearly by saying I LOVE "YES"! Always have, as a sucker for 3-part harmony bands. But THIS video shows what incredible instrumental musicians they were, and still are. "Siberian Khatru" ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS3UFBRljYw

Me and my old Kalamazoo tribe must've seen them 15 times live, and they opened their "In The Round" tour in Ka'zoo. The stage revolved slowly so that everyone in the arena could see everything! What a band ---

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Post by orest » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:16 pm

I've seen all good people, I mean Yes twice.
The last time I saw them was with Wakeman on keyboards. (He was really in and out of that band all the time).

What happened to this dynamic uncompressed music??
I myself prefer this type of music, long songs with so many elements.
Some may say it's over ambitious, I say it's the music of the soul. They truly express themselves.

Nowadays it's mainly short songs on the radio that are totally over compressed.

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Post by ernstinen » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:55 pm

orest wrote:I've seen all good people, I mean Yes twice.
The last time I saw them was with Wakeman on keyboards. (He was really in and out of that band all the time).

What happened to this dynamic uncompressed music??
I myself prefer this type of music, long songs with so many elements.
Some may say it's over ambitious, I say it's the music of the soul. They truly express themselves.

Nowadays it's mainly short songs on the radio that are totally over compressed.
Orest, the big knock on "YES" was the word pretentious. EVERY great artist(s) had SOME kind of pretense for creating such ambitious music, so I don't get that argument. And I agree, they expressed themselves with music from their souls. It's truly spiritual music, "Symphonic Rock" in the best sense of the term. If writing/playing rock music that is not Blues-Based is "pretentious," I would say that the critics are missing out on a real musical experience. And I LOVE the Blues. Why people can't open their minds to other genres is a mystery to me.

Jon Anderson is a certified musical genius, in my book. His hero is Sibelius, so my Finnish ancestors would be proud! Then you add Steve Howe's amazing guitar playing, Chris Squire's groundbreaking bass sounds, Bruford & White's incredible drumming, and yes, even Wakeman's "pretentious" keyboard playing, and you've created a monster of modern music, IMHO.

I saw "YES" at Eastern Michigan University outdoors, and they had Patrick Moraz on keys playing all of "Relayer." Wow! Moraz was more of a fusion keyboardist, and I really liked the change. What an incredible show ---

Ern 8-) :)

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Post by davekershaw » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:20 am

One of my biggest influences Ern!

I've enjoyed them in all their incarnations.
I first saw them in 1971 on their Fragile tour, when Rick Wakeman had just joined.
Saw them last in 2001 on their Magnification tour, backed by a symphony orchestra.

A lot of people have still not heard of Yes. They may vaguely remember their "Wonderous Stories" single.
But if you ask whether they've heard of their singer: "ahh yes, Jon and Vangellis, I love them!"

btw: Did Steve Howe stand on a little rug when you saw him? My wife said it reminded her of a comfort blanket! :D

Brilliant band!

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Post by llama » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:32 pm

Love Yes... The first band I became a fan off.... I still love to listen to Tales of Topographic Oceans and Relayer, two of my all time favs. They were due to play in Albuquerque a few months ago but without Jon Anderson. I didn't see them since I was out of town then but would have still gone. BTW a nice FB group is called "Yesbook Album". They have a prolific posting of video from various shows. Last was from Camden NJ. They also have some neat rare interviews too... Anyways...it's good to see some fellow Yes fans.

Derek.

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Post by theharper » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:42 pm

Let me just mention here that I too am a huge Yes fan. My wife and I went to see them this week in New Bedford, MA at The Ziterion Theatre. It was an Awesome show! I was hesitant at first to buy tickets knowing Jon Anderson would not be singing with them....but I love Steve Howe and thought that he would be worth the price of admission. Great set! Steve just keeps getting better...as do Alan and Chris. I thought Oliver Wakeman played quite well. We had a chance to talk briefly with some of the band after the show. They were all very pleasant. Oliver really went out of his way to sign autographs and shake hands....a nice lad!

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Post by ernstinen » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:01 pm

If you guys don't have the remastered "YesSongs" which was recorded live in 1972 by Eddie Offord, it is a fantastic retrospect of an incredibly talented band. The most astonishing thing is that Bruford quit the group early in the tour, and Alan White learned all that complex material in 3 Days! They opened with "Siberian Khatru," and the sound is 1000% better than any YouTube video. When White comes in after Howe's intro, the music just EXPLODES into a joyous frenzy! One of those "hair standing up on the arms" moments! Then they go into "Heart Of The Sunrise," which is so Stravinsky-ish at the start --- really powerful.

I saw YES once in Detroit, and it was the only time in my life at a rock concert where I thought "TURN IT UP!" Their stage volume was so musical, maybe the FOH engineer got lulled into thinking us poor kids in back could hear it as loudly as he could! :roll: ;) Howe played through 2 Fender Twins, and at that time guitarists who didn't play through Marshalls or Hi-Watts were thought to be weird. But he sure had his own sound --- As did Squire, who concentrated on the upper mid-range clarity of his Rick bass as much as the bottom. You could hear every note those guys played, that's for sure!

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Post by orest » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:57 am

ernstinen wrote:If you guys don't have the remastered "YesSongs" which was recorded live in 1972 by Eddie Offord, it is a fantastic retrospect of an incredibly talented band. The most astonishing thing is that Bruford quit the group early in the tour, and Alan White learned all that complex material in 3 Days! They opened with "Siberian Khatru," and the sound is 1000% better than any YouTube video. When White comes in after Howe's intro, the music just EXPLODES into a joyous frenzy! One of those "hair standing up on the arms" moments! Then they go into "Heart Of The Sunrise," which is so Stravinsky-ish at the start --- really powerful.

I saw YES once in Detroit, and it was the only time in my life at a rock concert where I thought "TURN IT UP!" Their stage volume was so musical, maybe the FOH engineer got lulled into thinking us poor kids in back could hear it as loudly as he could! :roll: ;) Howe played through 2 Fender Twins, and at that time guitarists who didn't play through Marshalls or Hi-Watts were thought to be weird. But he sure had his own sound --- As did Squire, who concentrated on the upper mid-range clarity of his Rick bass as much as the bottom. You could hear every note those guys played, that's for sure!

Ern 8-) :)
And, if we are talking about quality, this music is best heard on vinyl (made in USA or made in England, not the Holland/Germany crap). The vinyls made in USA have a lot of nice bottom end to them, the vinyls made in England have a lot of "air" and broad sound to them.
I have Yessongs on vinyl made in USA, and it's SO good!! Sure, you get a "clean" sound from a CD, but it's still limited to 16 bit, 44.1, the vinyl is not. And with the correct pick up and a great vinyl player, it beats the CD with a million light years.
If you are listening to over compressed music, it doesn't matter if it's on CD or Vinyl. But this type of super dynamic music like Yes, well, it's a huge difference IMHO.

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Post by ernstinen » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:23 am

orest wrote:And, if we are talking about quality, this music is best heard on vinyl (made in USA or made in England, not the Holland/Germany crap). The vinyls made in USA have a lot of nice bottom end to them, the vinyls made in England have a lot of "air" and broad sound to them.
I have Yessongs on vinyl made in USA, and it's SO good!! Sure, you get a "clean" sound from a CD, but it's still limited to 16 bit, 44.1, the vinyl is not. And with the correct pick up and a great vinyl player, it beats the CD with a million light years.
If you are listening to over compressed music, it doesn't matter if it's on CD or Vinyl. But this type of super dynamic music like Yes, well, it's a huge difference IMHO.
Orest, my friend, I've tried to hammer this concept into the listeners here for YEARS, and no one will listen. Analog can go up to TWICE and more the frequency response of CDs... If I could have used some U-87s into my 1 series-Soundcraft board into an Analog 2" 24-track recorder --- well, Eddie Offord did something like that. It IS like recording an orchestra. Ya really have to capture the sounds on the stage with YES, not line-ins except for maybe some of Howe's slide guitar parts. But the ensemble sound is what was captured by Eddie Offord. Great engineer ---

Ern 8-) :)

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Post by mojobone » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:29 am

There's really nothing wrong with the CD format; it's superior to vinyl in every way, though many CDs don't sound as good as the master tapes. The problem with most early Yes transfers was simple inattention to detail. The band was mostly uninvolved and Polydor knew the rabid fanbase would buy anything Yes put out. Don't get me wrong, I have a huge vinyl collection, even a few cherished 78 RPM lacquer discs, but I love them despite their very obvious flaws, or maybe a little bit because of them. You had to take great care at every step of a very involved process in order to produce even a marginally acceptable result. Under the best circumstances, a great all-analog system can reproduce an exquisite listening experience, just not one I'd characterize as high-fidelity. (and you'd need 180 gram half-speed direct-cut vinyl and about fifty thousand dollars worth of playback gear to really hear it all) Saw the 90125 Live tour, no Steve Howe, but they did Starship Troopers for the encore. I would have seen them sooner, but my late brother played Close To The Edge so much, I was burned out. I still can't really listen to 'Close', but Tales From Topographic Oceans is a revelation in quadrophonic, particularly if you're what we used to describe as 'chemically enhanced'. ;)



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