60's Brit Pop: A Casey/BillG Project

[davekershaw]

Hey fellas. I'm a Brit, so I know what I'm talkin' about - sometimes! Definite '60's feel.Yeah, I remember the sixties well. Does that mean I wasn't there?Could swear I was! Anyway ... More The Move than Hollies I think. Maybe Kinks.Can't pin it to any band in particular, but it's got the era.It's quite a mixture really!The 12 string gives it more of a Byrds feel, and they weren't Brits.The lead sound is good, but maybe not right for this.It's a good song!Good luck with it.Dave.

[cameron]

Casey,Good points have already been made. I gotta say you came close to nailing the 60s feel, although I can't think of any one band it sounds like. I hear a little Kinks and a little Byrds. Allen made some very good points about the lyrics maybe needing to be more short-term, as the average band member in those days would have been in his early 20s, if that.Yeah, this guitar solo sounded more like it was from the late 60s or early 70s to me.I also sensed the recording was better than what we heard back then, and maybe that detracts a bit from the authenticity of the sound. Would be interesting to hear if it would sound more authentic if you took some of the high freqs out.Cam

[Casey H]

Dec 11, 2008, 8:08pm, cameron wrote:Casey,Good points have already been made. I gotta say you came close to nailing the 60s feel, although I can't think of any one band it sounds like. I hear a little Kinks and a little Byrds. Allen made some very good points about the lyrics maybe needing to be more short-term, as the average band member in those days would have been in his early 20s, if that.Yeah, this guitar solo sounded more like it was from the late 60s or early 70s to me.I also sensed the recording was better than what we heard back then, and maybe that detracts a bit from the authenticity of the sound. Would be interesting to hear if it would sound more authentic if you took some of the high freqs out.CamThanks Cam... This thread has helped a lot. It's motivated me to do some lyric surgery that will help a lot... Correct, young bands singing in the 60's were not singing about bills and kids to raise later in life... Great point! Stay tuned.Thanks ALL! Casey

[leejohnson]

Hey great job you guys! I think you are right there! I agree the guitar solo felt a tad out of character for this style. But I think the intro riff and the overall sound is right on it! I might try chopping out some syllables in the melody, as the melodic rhythm felt just a tad crowded. I think it might be a strength that the exact band is not obvious...you have captured a great example of the specific genre 60's rock, that is general enough to apply to a variety of situations!

[heinsite]

hey guys!my opinion is:--musically it is very authentic.--lyrics are too crowded, yes, but easy, just get rid of the extra ones, i ran it through the brain on the fly and if i can hear the easy omissions, i think you can in a heartbeat...--the first verse lyrically i had a problem with the "rhyme" lines in the first verse's two last lines, "smile" and "eyes" just sounds a bit odd to me-- just a bit odd? yeah, technically they rhyme, but doesn't come off, don't know why...--i agree that all guitars EXCEPT the solo are just right to my ears----hell why not use the opening style for the solo??? simple for you guys, and i personally dig it, and it's authentic,,and..and..that's all i got, freezing out here in my bat cave...the best,warren

[deantaylor]

Hey Guys,I definately get a 60's vibe! I like the tune and the production so far. Not sure if all the instruments and production 'details' are authentic 60's .. just not my thing to judge that.Agree the lyric could use less syllables .. voice line seems a bit crowded as it is. The original title line had more pop, imo, but ... general lyric .. film-tv .. I know. Sometimes the song itself suffers a bit from a change though.Since you are thinking film-tv, v3 and v4 are virtually identical ... maybe make them more different lyrically, so they can fit different ... and hence more ... scenes that way.Also, if you can reduce the number of lines/words that tell the 'story' (because the real story is being told on the screen .. in the scene) and replace those words with more imagery or words that describe emotion the character might be feeling in this situation .. it would be better for film-tv, imo. For example, if you can replace the geographic location stuff, not with generic geo locations (the location will be specified on the screen .. in the scene), but with something more like in the other verses, crying, dreaming, missing her, etc.Dean

[liamkelly]

GuysGood job! Really good melody and heartfelt lyric. Maybe too many words?Thought Bill did a very good job with his enunciation - sounded pretty 60s Brit to me. Kinks-ish.The overall production sounded very 60s to these ears.Good song.Liam

[Casey H]

Thanks again for all the comments... Just in case anyone out there doesn't know, the great job of reproducing a real 60's vibe is all Bill! I can only take credit (and blame! ) for the songwriting... Thank you Bill! Lyric surgery with syllable-ectomy and storyplasty in process... It suffers from the way the song was originally written MANY years ago before Songwriting 101 school opened in my neighborhood... Casey

[bmete]

Casey & Bill,Iagree with the others, a definite 60's feel, felt like I was back in the fourth grade doing homework listening to that AM radio.It reminded me of the Turtles- The only other picky thing I hear ( and I my be totally wrong on this), but the drum fills seemed to non 60's- they are nice and I liked them, but I'm thinking I remember drums fills back from the day, were more run down the set to the cymbal crash. Great job, good luck with it!Bob

[billg]

When I get the new lyrics from Casey I'll do the final dealio . . . I've already worked up a replacement solo. Some of the high end will probably go away when I put some tube compression on the master. Thanks for all of the help!Bob, you surprised me with the drum comment. I got the drum content from an old drum construction package with specific "Ringo" beats and fills recorded on an old Gretsch kit.It's funny, but when I listen to the individual beats & fills I can identify the songs they were "lifted" from in most instances. I guess maybe I should listen back & consider adding some crashes . . .