Bass sounds

[zircon]

Is that such a bad thing? I know a lot of drummers that sequence their drum parts in MIDI. Knowing the instrument makes it much easier to mock up using samples. Plus, it saves the time, money, and effort of going to a studio to record the parts you want - or even just breaking out your mics at home. I play both piano and guitar and I have yet to record either live for anything I've written...

[horacejesse]

I don't know if it is bad or not. But I am glad that Van Gogh did not hire someone else to do his sketching so that he would have a picture to fill in.

[mazz]

I'm a keyboard player and I always play my own keyboard parts.If I were composing for a larger ensemble and had a decent budget, I would hire a keyboard player for the recording session so I could concentrate on the overall sound.Mazz

[matto]

Quote:IBut I am glad that Van Gogh did not hire someone else to do his sketching so that he would have a picture to fill in.I see samples and loops as tools...not as somebody else doing the work for me. While I would never dare to compare myself to Van Gogh, the man did use tools...brushes, canvas, paint...it's not like he fingerpainted on tree trunks using his own blood... (cut off ear notwithstanding...)

[53mph]

Using painting practice as an analogy to using bass samples is a bad idea horacejesse.I'm a trained artist and ex-gallery owner. Van Gogh may have painted his own canvas' but what if I told you that most artists including Raphael and Michelangelo had studio assistants who often painted large sections of the canvas for them.In the Renaissance art was a trade and many artists had workshops full of apprentices who knocked out copies of their masters work.Sometimes the apprentices were copying hands, faces and clothing from guide paintings and the Master artist, such as Raphael, would only paint the faces. This may not apply to everyone, such as Leonardo and Van Gogh, but that was usually because they were too difficult to work with and produced work in such small numbers. You have to remember that Van Gogh was a commercial faliure in his own life time and it wasn't until 11 years after his death that anyone took any notice of him.You can't compare making commercially viable music to being a loopy painter

[mazz]

Well matto, you sold me on Majestic. I'm a die hard Spectrasonics guy but I'm going with Majestic for my bass sounds. Will take delivery this week.Leonardo da Vinci started as a background painter in Florence. His employer's name went on the artwork even though numerous people worked on the painting. There is a famous painting in which he graduated to painting one of the angels and if you look closely you can see that his was much superior to the others. He wasn't an apprentice much longer after that. Kind of like a busy A list film composer having studio assistants, orchestrators and copyists.Art for art's sake is a relatively new concept. Even the great master composers had to solicit commissions, teach and perform to pay the bills.Mazz

[horacejesse]

53,I didn't think it was a very good analogy either. Besides your valid argument, there is also the fact that when one hires a drummer one is not writing the part either.I do assume that the drum parts are the only parts that the folks on here are not playing in some sense. After Mazz gets his new bass sounds he will be playing those bass parts on the keyboard, I assume, and they will come out sounding like a bass guitar. He will be playing those notes just like I do on a synthesizer, except his sound quality will probably be better since, as Matto has pointed out, only a small portion of the memory on a synthesizer is devoted to one particular sound whereas Mazz's unit will have all its memory devoted just to bass sounds.I may be off the mark again in my assumptions. I cannot imagine that people are buying complete orchestral parts and then tailoring them to fit their pieces. Unless I am in the wrong universe, I think they still play those parts and determine which notes and which voicings to use. Otherwise I see it as just editing.

[53mph]

Quote:Leonardo da Vinci started as a background painter in Florence. His employer's name went on the artwork even though numerous people worked on the painting. There is a famous painting in which he graduated to painting one of the angels and if you look closely you can see that his was much superior to the others. He wasn't an apprentice much longer after that. Kind of like a busy A list film composer having studio assistants, orchestrators and copyists.If this board going to start turning into an artist resourse site. Heaven forbid We already have enough problems with political activists and religious apologists high-jacking threads (* Disclaimer: all this was written with my tongue well and truely wedged in my cheek )BTW I use Trilogy and for the upright bass sounds. It's great but kind of lacking for the electric. I find it hard to get a realistic fingered, walking bass line. If I could get my hands on a bassist I would, but till then I make do with Trilogy and my wife.

[mazz]

A friend of mine and an incredible bass player (acoustic and electric) and recording engineer has a studio and a website where you send him your tracks and he puts bass lines on it. He also has drummers and guitar players at his disposal. They take payment through paypal.I can vouch for his musicianship and ear although I haven't had the budget to hire him for studio work, I've played gigs with him and he is world class.http://www.studiorhythm.com/index.htmlIf you have the budget, I highly recommend him. His name is Dan and you can mention my name.Mazz

[mazz]

Well, I received Majestic but now I need their specific USB dongle which costs another 49 bucks. I would have ordered it at the same time but the guy at Sweetwater said yes when I asked him if it was a Syncrosoft dongle which I already have. It's not a Syncrosoft dongle I'm in favor of companies protecting their intellectual property but the manual says that it includes the dongle (which it doesn't) and Sweetwater's website doesn't say it's not included either. I should have done more research.Both companies got an e-mail registering my disappointment.If you're going to buy this, be aware of the extra expenditure.I'm sure the sounds are great, I'll let you know early next week Mazz