Editing a submission after the deadline

[ric4hitsongs]

I'm commenting on what a few of you said about the risk that is involved with editing and re-uploading. The edit feature is there for a reason obviously and it does allow members to upload right on top of the existing file. As far as there being a risk involved with this process, what is TAXI going to do even if your edit hasn't finished uploading in time? Cancel your submission? I don't think so. Keep in mind that your real obligation is to make that initial deadline in time along with your credit card payment. I think it would be a hassle to have to refund the $5 because your edit wasn't done uploading when the screener was trying to access your tune. Who's to say that just because the upload isn't visible to a user account (members), that the screeners don't have access to it...ahhhh see what I'm saying? And just for the record, has anyone really noticed how fast those edited uploads are? Pretty quick compared to the initial decoding or whatever you wanna call it...Comments please..

[mazz]

Quote:How do you know they listened to the new version? Maybe they listened to the old one and that's why it was returned. Good question!! I was basing my assessment on the timing of the fateful e-mail! HMMMMMMMMMMMMM..................

[ciskokidd]

Quote:I'm commenting on what a few of you said about the risk that is involved with editing and re-uploading. The edit feature is there for a reason obviously and it does allow members to upload right on top of the existing file. As far as there being a risk involved with this process, what is TAXI going to do even if your edit hasn't finished uploading in time? Cancel your submission? I don't think so. Keep in mind that your real obligation is to make that initial deadline in time along with your credit card payment. I think it would be a hassle to have to refund the $5 because your edit wasn't done uploading when the screener was trying to access your tune. Who's to say that just because the upload isn't visible to a user account (members), that the screeners don't have access to it...ahhhh see what I'm saying? And just for the record, has anyone really noticed how fast those edited uploads are? Pretty quick compared to the initial decoding or whatever you wanna call it...Comments please.. Of course TAXI wants to be as accomodating as possible so they allow the editting of the uploaded songs, but you have to understand that deadlines are deadlines and are there for a reason. So what the others are saying is that once the screeners go to screen your tune they are not going to wait around for your song to upload since it was already supposed to be there. Hope this helps clarify,Cisco

[ric4hitsongs]

Cisco, how do you know what the screener will do in that situation. The initial deadline has been met. There aren't any deadlines for edit uploads that I know of..correct me if I'm wrong my brotha

[ciskokidd]

Quote: Cisco, how do you know what the screener will do in that situation. The initial deadline has been met. There aren't any deadlines for edit uploads that I know of..correct me if I'm wrong my brothaHey Ricci,You are correct, no one really knows what a screener will do in that situation. That's the problem. What if the screener just says, hey the song isn't there or screens a version that wasn't the final one you made? I can tell you one thing for sure, as soon as TAXI gets some complaints about this from someone like "You didn't screen the last version I uploaded!", the ability to edit uploads once the deadline is past will be bye-bye.And look, in the real world of any business including the music business you get deadlines and you have to meet those deadlines or you lose out. That's just the plain truth. That's why I personally don't edit my uploads after the deadline. I want to treat my career with professionalism. Once you start treating deadlines and commitments with a lazy attitude you will slip up and lose deals. Perfectionism is all well and good, but it can easily get you into trouble. I know people who are still working on songs that should have been done years ago.Still, to each his own. If you want to continue to edit your submissions after the deadline, be my guest. I just don't want to hear the whining later if you get burned. Peace Out!Cisco

[avillaronga]

I may be misinterpreting what Clint said, but based on this old thread it would seem to me that the entire discussion here on this thread is irrelevant because he (Clint) seems to indicate that the original file we upload (the mp3) is what goes to the screener. The amount of time the song is off-line for encoding is while the versions used for streaming are made but the mp3 is untouched so there isn't really ever a period of time when the mp3 is not available. The only part that is not clear to me is whether a copy of the mp3 that is currently there at the moment you make the submission is automatically sent to the screener or whether the copy that is there when the screener goes to listen to it will be used. I am interpreting what Clint said as meaning that the mp3 that is there when the submission is made is what the screener will hear. Would love to have a clarification from Taxi on that... At any rate, as I said, I don't think the mp3 version is ever not available so the only remaining question is whether it is viewed as unprofessional to sneak around the deadline in that matter. Clint also says on that thread that if there is ever a problem, they'll shoot the member an email so if for some reason the mp3 is not there when the screener needs it, you'll know about it instead of Taxi simply canceling your submission. I think a lot of the "risk" people are talking about was applicable when we used broadjam and there was a long window when our mp3s where not available for anyone to hear.And, Ricci, the edit feature is there because it is not the case that "one song = one submission" so editing a song does not mean you are editing it for a particular submission, you may very well be editing for a future submission so it is not right to say that because there is an edit feature then it should be expected that members would edit it in regards to a particular submission. They are completely unrelated things. Just my opinion on the matter...Antonio

[ric4hitsongs]

I just wanted to say thanks for all the input and opinions regarding my thread. At this point I am still not exactly sure what the facts are relating to the initial submission of a listing and if that first upload is the one and only one that the screener listens to and critiques. So what I have here that I would like to share is my latest email reply from one of the TAXI reps regarding my question about submission editing and how it all works. I hope this might shed some light on the subject and I am curious to hear your comments about this email reply..cause to tell you the truth theres one part of what he says that I can not understand...tell me what you get out of this. I will paste my question that I sent first and then the reply:> Message Subject: Post Deadline Submission Updates> > regarding Online Submissions> to_address respond-clint@taxi.com> name RICCI ACCARDI> emailAddr ric4hitsongs@roadrunner.com> mess_subj Post Deadline Submission Updates> comments WHEN A LISTING'S DEADLINE HAS PASSED WHEN DO THE ACTUAL SCREENING> SESSIONS BEGIN? IS THERE A SET AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PASSES BEFORE THE> LISTENING BEGINS OR IS IT IMMEDIATELY? THE REASON I ASK IS SOMETIMES I GO> BACK AND EDIT A MIX AND UPLOAD THE SONG AGAIN. BUT ANY EDITING I DO IS NO> MORE THAN 2 DAYS PASSED THE DEADLINE. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SAFE OR IS> THAT A RISK AT ALL. HOPEFULLY THIS MAKES SENSE AND MAYBE HAVE SOME> INFORMATION TO SHARE..I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME!> > RA> elistings N> listings _> member member_yes> origin contact-TAXI--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:04:52 -0800Subject: Re: Contact TAXI: Post Deadline Submission UpdatesFrom: "Clint McBay" <clint@taxi.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address BookTo: ric4hitsongs@roadrunner.comHi Ricci,Thanks for the email. TAXI does not start screening any of the materialuntil the deadline date for that specific listing. You can always re-uploada new track over the old one, but we cannot guarantee when we will listen toit further than after the deadline date.Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions that you mayhave. Thanks, and have a great day!Craig @ TAXI818-222-2464

[hummingbird]

Quote:I just wanted to say thanks for all the input and opinions regarding my thread. At this point I am still not exactly sure what the facts are relating to the initial submission of a listing and if that first upload is the one and only one that the screener listens to and critiques. So what I have here that I would like to share is my latest email reply from one of the TAXI reps regarding my question about submission editing and how it all works. I hope this might shed some light on the subject and I am curious to hear your comments about this email reply..cause to tell you the truth theres one part of what he says that I can not understand...tell me what you get out of this. I will paste my question that I sent first and then the reply:> Message Subject: Post Deadline Submission Updates> > regarding Online Submissions> to_address respond-clint@taxi.com> name RICCI ACCARDI> emailAddr ric4hitsongs@roadrunner.com> mess_subj Post Deadline Submission Updates> comments WHEN A LISTING'S DEADLINE HAS PASSED WHEN DO THE ACTUAL SCREENING> SESSIONS BEGIN? IS THERE A SET AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PASSES BEFORE THE> LISTENING BEGINS OR IS IT IMMEDIATELY? THE REASON I ASK IS SOMETIMES I GO> BACK AND EDIT A MIX AND UPLOAD THE SONG AGAIN. BUT ANY EDITING I DO IS NO> MORE THAN 2 DAYS PASSED THE DEADLINE. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SAFE OR IS> THAT A RISK AT ALL. HOPEFULLY THIS MAKES SENSE AND MAYBE HAVE SOME> INFORMATION TO SHARE..I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME!> > RA> elistings N> listings _> member member_yes> origin contact-TAXI--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:04:52 -0800Subject: Re: Contact TAXI: Post Deadline Submission UpdatesFrom: "Clint McBay" <clint@taxi.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address BookTo: ric4hitsongs@roadrunner.comHi Ricci,Thanks for the email. TAXI does not start screening any of the materialuntil the deadline date for that specific listing. You can always re-uploada new track over the old one, but we cannot guarantee when we will listen toit further than after the deadline date.Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions that you mayhave. Thanks, and have a great day!Craig @ TAXI818-222-2464How I read this reply is: there is no way of knowing when a screener will listen to your song, except that they will be listening after the listing's deadline has passed. They listen to whatever is on-line at the time they screen your song. There is no way for you to know *when* they listened to your song, therefore, there is no way for you to know which version they screened. Songs are screened at various times and on various days after the deadline is passed, and all the results are emailed/mailed at the same time. You don't know whether your song was screened the day after the deadline, or 3 weeks after the deadline. So if you upload a new version, your risk is not knowing which version they returned/forwarded. Other than that, if a screener went to listen to your song and it wasn't activated, of course Taxi would shoot you an email to advise you of the same.All of the above is JMHO...cheersHummin'bird

[twilsbach]

Although I've reuploaded after the deadline a couple times, I agree with Cisko on this one. A deadline is a deadline and its always best to shoot to get mixes and masters done by the original deadline, and not plan on using the edit feature as a tool, to game the system, so to speak.On those rare occasions when I do re-upload it sounds to me (based on the following reply by TAXIjon on another thread) that each time an mp3 is uploaded, three copies are made (192kbps version, 128, & 48). The 192 is what is used for screening and burning to CD if forwarded.What is unclear is when the screeners listen to your track relative to when the return/forward email gets sent.Assuming its' an automated process and goes out immediately after a screener 'submits' their review, then the whole editing after deadline game is a little better defined, although still a little suspect if you're doing it. Quote: from another thread TAXIjonWhen you uplaod a song to our server we actually make 3 copies of it. One is of the original track at the highest quality (highest is 192Kbps), which we use for screeneing and sending out as forwards. If you allow downloads this is the quality you will get. This copy is the exact same one you uploaded and should sound the same as you hear it on your computer.Our hosting site then makes 2 lower quality copies for streaming. The high quality is 128Kbps and the low quality is 48Kbps.Quote: from another thread TAXIClintIf you upload your song at 192kbps then the screeners at TAXI will listen to the original mp3 you uploaded (192kbps) and if your song is forwarded we'll download that same file (192kbps) and burn it to cd to send to the listing company. We do however re-encode it to stream, and we do that twice. One version is encoded at 128kbps for high quality streams (for DSL and Cable connections) and one version is encoded at 48kbps (for dial up users).