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Re: 2nd UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by ibanez468guit » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:18 pm

mazz wrote:Sounds better, a lot better. The arrangement brings in the orchestra sooner, although for an electro orchestral piece I still think the intro should be shorter, but that's probably a matter of taste. My only concern is the 8 bar intro doesn't bring enough interest after the first 4 bars and you might lose the client.
Thanks for the listen Mazz! I'll go back and find something to fill in the gap. I'll throw some more "orchestral" things in there to try and spruce it up a little.
The repeated high brass notes sound a bit synthy to my ears. Are you using a short articulation from EW? If not, you might want to try that.
Yes, I'm using the staccato articulations on the trumpet & trombone, & marcato on the french horn. I may have missed it, but I don't think there's a staccato articulation for the frenchies. I'll have to double-check that, but if there were, I'm almost sure I would've chosen it for what I'm doing here (unless of course, it just didn't really sound right to my ears).
Also, repeated notes with samples are often problematic because it starts to sound too much like the same sample. In my experience, even with the RR articulations, it's hard to get repeated notes to work really well. You might consider changing the middle note of the 3 to go down a whole step. I've often employed this strategy when the repeated notes weren't working. Also you might consider doing a slight velocity crescendo for each set of three notes, which might alter things enough to take the synthy vibe off of it. I can't remember if you picked up First Call Horns, but you might consider adding a lead trumpet from a pop brass library, it might add a bit more punch to things. With a lot of film scores, particularly those recorded in LA, you have incredible players that are able to go from a classical "legit" playing style all the way to screaming lead playing, which is something you don't find everywhere. So our ears are attuned to that kind of flexibility in these kinds of pieces (Bourne Ultimatum, John Powell's stuff, etc.). The thing with these orchestral libraries, is that they are sampled with more "legit" playing and don't often translate to the kind of rhythmically aggressive and syncopated stuff you're doing here. A nice pop lead player might just make this thing "pop".
Yeah, I've got First Call. And I understand what you mean about the repeated note thing and whole step down on the 3rd note. Slop things up a little? I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestions!

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Re: 1st UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by k o star » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:23 pm

hey Ibanez... Sounds awesomer to me now... Love the synth sounds, especially the one that kicks this off!
Very cool timpani sound mixed with the electro perc...
Must be just me but I imagine some heavy guitar stabs in there sparsely placed =)

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Re: 1st UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by billg1 » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:55 pm

Bruce, I could hear this working for a lot of stuff even a CSI kind of listing. Can't help 'cause your're out of my league but wanted to jusmp in & let you know I think it's a cool piece!

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Re: 1st UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by ibanez468guit » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:28 pm

Hey Kel!

Thanks for the listen! You'll hafta' tell me your guitar tone secrets in order for me ta' pull that one off like you do! :lol:

Hey BillG!

Thanks for the listen! That's good ta' know that it might work for something like that. Hey man, just listening and acknowledging that it's got potential (or not), is good with me! As far as I'm concerned, we're all in the same league bro'! ;)

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Re: 2nd UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by ibanez468guit » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:33 pm

OK, this is the latest update. I may have gone a little overboard adding to the intro, or it may just not fit at all. You guys'll let me know for sure though. :lol: :lol:

1. Added some new brass lines, shortened others.
2. Added some guitar - sorry Kel, I have yet to latch onto your awesome tone!
3. Added another short synth sound for some FX.

This work a little better or no?

"A Bit of Edge_New Arrangement 2" http://www.box.net/shared/m3mbixas24

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Re: 2nd UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by feaker66 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:23 pm

Wow

Even I can tell it's better.

Drums might be a little faint yet?

This stuff sound like it would be so much fun to create.

I think my guitars need some new company.

Sounds great IBY

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Re: 2nd UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by mazz » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:32 am

Much better! Just making the brass go down a step on the middle note really sounds better. It also sounds like you beefed up the lead trumpet as well.

Now on those trumpet parts can you bring up the lower instruments to give it a bit more support? The lead trumpet is still hanging out there by itself just a little bit and I think it would sound fatter and more real if it had some support from the lower notes of the chord. Think Tower of Power and how the horn section was just like a big fat fist and you could hear every note of the chord from the Bari sax on up to the lead trumpet. I think that would fill it out and give the piece some more punch.

I dig the glockenspiel part. It's kind of bizarre in this kind of piece but it works. Nice offbeat choice!

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Re: 2nd UPDATE TO "A BIT OF EDGE".

Post by ibanez468guit » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:38 am

Hey Feak!

Thanks for listening & noticing. Good observation on the drum part. My ears were so focused on getting these new intro parts squared away, I didn't even notice that there was a slight drop-off on the drum part. I'll see if I can pump 'em up a bit. Good catch!

Feak, it is fun to create, no question. The tedious task, is the revisions & modifications, but I guess that goes with the territory. It's something that I'm learning to get use to. Still learning, still growing.

I don't think your guitars would mind some new company. The more, the merrier! :)

Hey Mazz!

Glad you like! I certainly tried to beef it up. I'll make some adjustments to the bottom brass and see if I can bring 'em out some more.

COOL with the glock! It is kind of a bizarre choice. Wasn't sure if it would work or not, but it didn't seem to sound too bad to my ears at the time, so I went with it.

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Re: Final Update?? to "A Bit of Edge".

Post by ibanez468guit » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:49 pm

OK, here's the final tweak (I think?) based on the last set of suggestions between Feak and the Mazz (thanks guys). I think this is the one! Lemme know.

"A Bit of Edge_Final Arrangement??" http://www.box.net/shared/tjhvf1je83

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Re: Final Update?? to "A Bit of Edge".

Post by feaker66 » Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:02 am

IBY

Put a fork in it, this baby is done.

Just cause I am a guit player,the guitar lead might have come up one db:) :)

Hope for you it does well

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