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Re: From: FORWARDED!, to: Music Supervisor makes contact ...

Post by shoodBworkin » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:12 am

re "It really has nothing to do with quality, hard work, or talent"

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Post by michael11 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:57 am

Casey H wrote:
DesireInspires wrote:Music supervisors really do not contact people that often. They get a lot of music and only make contact when they have very specific needs to meet. Those needs can change by the microsecond.

People say "Write, submit, forget" because composers are not that big of a deal. Even great composers have trouble finding regular work. It really has nothing to do with quality, hard work, or talent. Music supervisors just need the right music at the right time. So it's really based off of luck.

Conclusion: I would not count on getting a phone call from a Taxi forward.
Although I totally agree that we need to "Write, submit, forget", I have to strongly disagree with:
DesireInspires wrote:It really has nothing to do with quality, hard work, or talent.
Do you really think that someone like Matt Hirt makes his entire living from film/TV music without quality, hard work, and talent?? :roll: Gimme a break. That is incredibly insulting to all successful film/TV composers who spent years busting their ass and perfecting their craft to get where they are.


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DesireInspires wrote:Conclusion: I would not count on getting a phone call from a Taxi forward.
Have you read the Taxi Success Stories section of the forum? http://forums.taxi.com/taxi-success-stories-f7.html

I'm sorry, but I have to say your statement is ridiculous. Hundreds of folks get tracks signed with libraries and/or placed every day do to Taxi forwards.

Is some element of luck involved? Yes, of course. But we make our own luck. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity...

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Post by davewalton » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:50 pm

DesireInspires wrote:Where is the logic in pursuing a career in music? I think it is time for musicians to reevaluate their artistic endeavors.
I took a moment to do just that. It was completely illogical but pursuing a career in music is the best decision I ever made. Thanks for the reaffirmation! ;)

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Post by Casey H » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:03 pm

davewalton wrote:
DesireInspires wrote:Where is the logic in pursuing a career in music? I think it is time for musicians to reevaluate their artistic endeavors.
I took a moment to do just that. It was completely illogical but pursuing a career in music is the best decision I ever made. Thanks for the reaffirmation! ;)
Yea, when the male prostitute thing didn't work out... :lol: :P

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Post by davewalton » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:14 pm

Casey H wrote:
davewalton wrote:
DesireInspires wrote:Where is the logic in pursuing a career in music? I think it is time for musicians to reevaluate their artistic endeavors.
I took a moment to do just that. It was completely illogical but pursuing a career in music is the best decision I ever made. Thanks for the reaffirmation! ;)
Yea, when the male prostitute thing didn't work out... :lol: :P
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Post by DesireInspires » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:31 pm

Casey H wrote:
DesireInspires wrote:Music supervisors really do not contact people that often. They get a lot of music and only make contact when they have very specific needs to meet. Those needs can change by the microsecond.

People say "Write, submit, forget" because composers are not that big of a deal. Even great composers have trouble finding regular work. It really has nothing to do with quality, hard work, or talent. Music supervisors just need the right music at the right time. So it's really based off of luck.

Conclusion: I would not count on getting a phone call from a Taxi forward.
Although I totally agree that we need to "Write, submit, forget", I have to strongly disagree with:
DesireInspires wrote:It really has nothing to do with quality, hard work, or talent.
Do you really think that someone like Matt Hirt makes his entire living from film/TV music without quality, hard work, and talent?? :roll: Gimme a break. That is incredibly insulting to all successful film/TV composers who spent years busting their ass and perfecting their craft to get where they are.


And I also strongly disagree with:
DesireInspires wrote:Conclusion: I would not count on getting a phone call from a Taxi forward.
Have you read the Taxi Success Stories section of the forum? http://forums.taxi.com/taxi-success-stories-f7.html

I'm sorry, but I have to say your statement is ridiculous. Hundreds of folks get tracks signed with libraries and/or placed every day due to Taxi forwards.

Is some element of luck involved? Yes, of course. But we make our own luck. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity...

Casey

Of course songs get signed.

But my point is that there are a lot of good songs that do not get licensed. I have songs licensed. But there are people more talented than me that do not. There are people that are less talented than me that make a lot from licensing.

I am not here to insult people. But the music business is tough. I do not think giving people false hopes is honorable or wise.

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Post by mojobone » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:45 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
I have songs licensed. But there are people more talented than me that do not. There are people that are less talented than me that make a lot from licensing.
That is absolutely and unequivocably true.
DesireInspires wrote:I am not here to insult people. But the music business is tough. I do not think giving people false hopes is honorable or wise.

Your opinion is as good as anybody's, but where do you get off, telling people whose hopes are false? We all know the biz is tough, but it surprises me, weekly if not daily, who succeeds and why; I would never tell anyone to give up; some of my worst guitar students will maybe never correctly execute an arpeggio at 120 BPM, but many of them routinely write stuff I can't even conceive of.
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Post by DesireInspires » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:44 am

mojobone wrote:
DesireInspires wrote:
I have songs licensed. But there are people more talented than me that do not. There are people that are less talented than me that make a lot from licensing.
That is absolutely and unequivocably true.
DesireInspires wrote:I am not here to insult people. But the music business is tough. I do not think giving people false hopes is honorable or wise.

Your opinion is as good as anybody's, but where do you get off, telling people whose hopes are false? We all know the biz is tough, but it surprises me, weekly if not daily, who succeeds and why; I would never tell anyone to give up; some of my worst guitar students will maybe never correctly execute an arpeggio at 120 BPM, but many of them routinely write stuff I can't even conceive of.

I am not telling people to give up on their dreams. I am telling people to face reality. Music is simply a prodcut to most companies these days. They do not care how long it took to make a song, how hard a composer worked to record the music, what equipment was used to create the music, etc. They only care about the end product. And most end users want to get access to music as cheaply as possible (free). This is the nature of the business.

I want composers to succeed. I want composers to keep creating great music. I want them to feel proud of what they create! But I think it is wrong to tell composers to "keep the faith" when there is an abundant amount of evidence that making a living from music library placements is not a possibility for most.

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Post by Casey H » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:37 am

Where can we buy some of your motivational books and DVD's? You are such a ray of sunshine and positive vibes.

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Post by coachdebra » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:01 am

DesireInspires wrote:But I think it is wrong to tell composers to "keep the faith" when there is an abundant amount of evidence that making a living from music library placements is not a possibility for most.
They say it better than I ever could:
“There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.” Douglas H. Everett

“Reality is merely an illusion, although a very persistent one” Albert Einstein

“Reality leaves a lot to the imagination.” John Lennon

“Art must take reality by surprise.” F. Sagan

“Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it” Lily Tomlin

“Don't confuse facts with reality.” Robert D. Ballard

“Good writers define reality; bad ones merely restate it. A good writer turns fact into truth; a bad writer will, more often than not, accomplish the opposite.”

“Reality doesn't bite, rather our perception of reality bites.” Anthony J. D'Angelo

“Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.” Lily Tomlin

“Our business in this world is not to succeed, but to continue to fail in good spirits.” Robert Louis Stevenson

This is my personal favorite :arrow: “He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress” Anwar Sadat :D

Thanks to http://thinkexist.com for the quotes

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