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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by Casey H » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:19 pm

scottripple wrote:Don't mean to pop anyones bubble here but the truth is that until you have a viable-FINANCIALY VIABLE musical work (interested label,producer,publisher,artist etc. willing to cut your song and then willing to market and focus it for media release-radio,internet etc.and it hits, album cuts excluded ) joining ascap won't mean very much.Don't get me wrong I'm a member and believe they provide a significant service in the industry such as helping members in discerning if they have a competetive piece of music, general tips and insight.BMI and SESAC as well. But they are here to collect and distribute royalties of various types,songs, commercials, film,mechanical, video sync, etc for work that is financialy successfull. They do not make decent money off of album cuts.There looking for the next hit. Joining ascap in and of itself means nothing. A hit is a hit. The law of the jungle has not and will not change. The song is either there or it is not. Period.
I think there are a number of different subjects on this thread, all getting a little mixed up. If you are pitching music to film/TV such as with music libraries, once you sign deals, there are important reasons to join a PRO such as ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC. If a library places a track of yours, the only way you can collect the writer's share of performance royalties (and some or all of publishing royalties, depending on the deal) is through a PRO. You do not have to be writing hits songs, earning large sums of money, etc... But you will want to collect what you are due whether it's $10 or thousands.

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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by Casey H » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:23 pm

Charlie
I sent you a PM. Maybe we can talk offline and I can help clear up the confusion.

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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by scottripple » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:52 pm

Hum I appreciate your comments. I thought that the discussion subject per charlie2 was : a query as to a general caveat statement that he was reading either from a deal proposed to him or an PRO caveat regarding terms of membership ,etc. I beleive that the quality of the recording of any type of material a-z will in the end be dictated by the current bar regarding that peticular genre. I in NO WAY meant to assert that the best possible recording should not be made, on the contrary as you indicate and I have repeated make your music as good as possible always-every aspect. What I took from charlie2's posting and some others after was a seeming preoccupation with THE BIZ. The Biz is important -you want recognition-compensation and just feelin your "freak flag fly" when you create and others love. But I am a beleiver that inspiration is as important in film/tv as it is in label/radio. Hummingbird I agree with you 100%! I think your approach and mine balance the see-saw bar that is part of The Biz...

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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by scottripple » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:55 pm

Casey you hit the nail on the head! PRO orginizations do not publish anything. They are there to track, collect and distribite royalties,large or small.

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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by Casey H » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:02 pm

scottripple wrote:Casey you hit the nail on the head! PRO orginizations do not publish anything. They are there to track, collect and distribite royalties,large or small.
BTW, not everyone agrees but I think it's good to register as a writer with a PRO as soon as you can and, if possible, even set up a publishing company name with a PRO. I think when you send out cover letters, emails, etc and you put (ASCAP) by your name as a writer and even use (c) XYZ Publishing or that pub. name on letterhead, it looks a little more professional. Of course if you are writing to a traditional publishing company, it might not be an advantage to use a publishing company name in your correspondance.

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Re: Help please. Do I need to do anything else

Post by scottripple » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:19 pm

Excellent point-depending on who your approaching-change your approach. Big publishers won't normally waste time re-uping shares for small fry publishers
so a good approach might be approach those deals with out invoking your own publishing co. The closer to your own level in the buisness that others you pitch to are the more leverage you have. Its not uncommon in some markets to do "foot-in-the-door-deals" where you have no comp. but a starting point with biiger folks that you can build on...I love this stuff

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