How do I collect for over 600,000 plays?

[Len911]

You are not going to make a lot of money from Internet radio plays. Millions of plays only equals thousands of dollars. Don't waste time chasing baby money.

Hi Desire,

As you know I think you are a great guy and I appreciate your comments. But, I have to disagree with you on this one.

My first assumption was that an internet play would get the standard $0.09 mechanical license (but I have absolutely no idea). Based on your comment I am assuming I am wrong about that cause with over 600,000 plays at $0.09 the original poster is looking at +/- $54,000. (again, this may not be anywhere accurate of what reality is).

Let's say it is only $0.01 per internet play... that is still $6,000.

I may be loose in some areas of my finances (particularly music production) but considering I drive 2 miles out of my way to save $1/gallon on gas each fill up, I would most definitely chase down a few thousand dollars! In this case I would fight tooth and nail to get whatever is coming and roll that back into the studio. - I have never known any money to be bad. Especially passive residuals.

From what I heard the other night on Al Jazeera, I thought Desire could be very generous if not overly-exhuberant on his estimations. I happened to flip on the tv, and they were discussing the pandora-ASCAP suit settlement I believe. I don't know the details but they had one guy who had over a million plays and only received $16. I tried to find out what program it was, no luck, since their website has changed since they went live on cable. I thought perhaps it was "consider this" or "America tonight", maybe someone else will chime in who saw the whole piece.

[VTrails]

one guy who had over a million plays and only received $16

This was David Lowery, from Camper Van Beethoven and Cracker. His original article is here:

http://thetrichordist.com/2013/06/24/my ... hirt-sale/

As he himself notes, that was only from one particular royalty stream, and for his share of the song. This article fills in some of the rest of the details:

http://theunderstatement.com/post/53867 ... 16-dollars

All that being said, Desire is pretty much on the (small amount of) money about the order of magnitude of potential internet royalties.

It's not quite as simple as a single rate due to different licenses for different types of webcaster, revenue % caps etc., but the basic internet performance royalty rate for 2013 is $0.0022 per performance. This rate x 600,000 = $1,320. This is before Soundexchange takes a cut for administrative expenses, and before anyone else who has a right to a percentage (label, manager, etc.).

http://www.soundexchange.com/service-pr ... webcaster/

[Len911]

one guy who had over a million plays and only received $16

This was David Lowery, from Camper Van Beethoven and Cracker. His original article is here:

http://thetrichordist.com/2013/06/24/my ... hirt-sale/

As he himself notes, that was only from one particular royalty stream, and for his share of the song. This article fills in some of the rest of the details:

http://theunderstatement.com/post/53867 ... 16-dollars

All that being said, Desire is pretty much on the (small amount of) money about the order of magnitude of potential internet royalties.

It's not quite as simple as a single rate due to different licenses for different types of webcaster, revenue % caps etc., but the basic internet performance royalty rate for 2013 is $0.0022 per performance. This rate x 600,000 = $1,320. This is before Soundexchange takes a cut for administrative expenses, and before anyone else who has a right to a percentage (label, manager, etc.).

http://www.soundexchange.com/service-pr ... webcaster/

yes, David Lowery was one of the names I remember!

[funsongs]

don't know if it might help in your case...

but, a guy I once did some work for ignored my repeated invoices...for nearly 2 years. Finally, I sent an invoice over which I had written in large letters: "okay...that's it; I'm telling my Mom on you!!"

He made payment in full. No foolin'. ...

[mikeymike2000]

It's not quite as simple as a single rate due to different licenses for different types of webcaster, revenue % caps etc., but the basic internet performance royalty rate for 2013 is $0.0022 per performance. This rate x 600,000 = $1,320. This is before Soundexchange takes a cut for administrative expenses, and before anyone else who has a right to a percentage (label, manager, etc.).

That sounds like it is still worth chasing but at the same time is rather disheartening for so many plays. When did music become a currency traded in pips? Dear God.

[Len911]

It's not quite as simple as a single rate due to different licenses for different types of webcaster, revenue % caps etc., but the basic internet performance royalty rate for 2013 is $0.0022 per performance. This rate x 600,000 = $1,320. This is before Soundexchange takes a cut for administrative expenses, and before anyone else who has a right to a percentage (label, manager, etc.).

That sounds like it is still worth chasing but at the same time is rather disheartening for so many plays. When did music become a currency traded in pips? Dear God.

And I was feeling pity for another partial documentary I saw, where men would go to the top of a volcano, and load ~ 150 lbs of sulfur chips (pips? ), in a stick with 2 baskets, and go down the mountain, weigh them for ~$16 a day And I bet the cost of living is a lot less in that country, not to mention that a basket would be much cheaper than a studio stocked with gear, and it's all downhill after you load up!


"Beethoven's concern over money reflects the fact that despite enjoying a reputation of one of Europe's finest composers he never managed to profit from his remarkable talent."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... shows.html

That was just the first composer that popped into my head that I googled for income, so maybe it was just chance that I might have picked the only one with low income?? Or maybe nothing has changed, and it isn't the composers, but others who have profited. I wonder how many Beethovens gave up and went into fast food because it paid better??

[DesireInspires]

Good discussion, guys.

[Len911]

Good discussion, guys.

yes, but I think we ran Morbie off
sorry Morbs!

[DesireInspires]

Taylor Swift's streaming story: http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permali ... nt=1942904

[mikeymike2000]

...And I was feeling pity for another partial documentary I saw, where men would go to the top of a volcano, and load ~ 150 lbs of sulfur chips (pips? ), in a stick with 2 baskets...

the pips I was referring to is the measurement of FOREX and currency futures. But it is basically the same thing as going to the top of a volcano (an active one) and hoping you don't get burned.

When we have to put 4 decimal places in our royalties payment... well, nuf said there.