New Tune, Heavy Rock...

[heinsite]

hey willie!!i really like this man--yeah, dark, serious piece.i know you are NOT done with this, but my only negative comment, if negative at all, would be that it takes awhile to get to the song, so IMHO the intro is a bit lingering, as is your "break", my skitzo hyperactive brain kinda started losing interest waiting for your vocal to come in and for it to come back after the break... but scratch that ENTIRE comment, if you'd be pitching this to a film, as i can hear the entire thing running from start to finish (but might be hard finding a buyer, but that's what i hear..) in a feature film.very nice job william my friend,i'm gunna help the wifey finish the thanksgiving dinner prep. we'll talk later..all the best,whoh ps: know you aint done, but the lyrics need a bit more meat for us carnivors--is that turkey i'm smelling? yummm.

[wta]

I AM WILLY T.! Funny I was called that by a very good friend years ago, its been awhile and a handle I am well to carry so carry on my fellow Bill. Matt, good to be back in action man and glad you're diggin the vibe, this tune is still wearing diapers so there will be many changes for sure. Zingstone, great input, nice to meet ya. Your points are well received and noted, thanks much for the effort to listen and comment it WILL make a differnece my friend. Heizy, givem hell, all of them! Oh... and a hug I guess it IS thanksgiving. Ah just like old family gatherings, whos the one who's had too much wine before lunch? W. - I"m still working on the instrumental parts and tring to figure out what I want to do but I LOVE Pink Floyd and they have a tone of musical interludes. I'm not in a hurry with this one so I'll be doing a bunch of experimenting but I gotta say that the vocals whipped together not bad for just hitting the iso booth and jamming them... you guys ROCK! wta

[cjdenecia]

will .... on the vocal addition ...I didn't know what to expect as I had yet to hear any of your music before this ... and I was surprised. mostly cus, as a singer - and one that has worked on similar projects, you didn't go the way I would have.but I listened a few times, sat back and tried to let go of my preconceptions and give your take on YOUR song a chance without trying to interfere with your mindset in my own mind ...and I'm glad I did.upon return to the track a number of hours later, I now find myself grasping your idea better than I did .... (and incidentally, my concept was more of an anthony keidis meets chris cornell meets bon scott sort of attack.)so on the up side - I get the low register gutteral yet whispery attack ... and then I appreciate the seattle grunge approach of the chorus - tho I think it needs some attention to make it genuine. of course, being as you apparently recorded your writing session, the fact that it's rough is not only to be expected, it's commendable that you have it this far into a comfort zone.and fact is, tho it maybe needs a bit more to the chorus to bring it home (and a high harmony quite prominent in the mix might do that), I find the chorus credible as a hard rock hook.but as I recall, it was you that mentioned that I needed to take the mudsoul slave "seasons sigh" vocal line into a cornell moment, I must say the same about this chorus. which obviously, as you know - is not some easy task. we have a tendency to simply think that we should be able to duplicate one of the best of an era just because the song would be strengthened cus of it - yet, the "doing" is a bit more daunting.but personally, I have zero problems creating parts like that from 16 tracks. and some judicious editing. how about that? you game for doing something you might not be able to actually do?on the verses .... I find myself wanting to hold back on judgment till you get familiar with it and learn what it is that you want to do as well .... it's a bit weak on timing and it's not convincing in it's sinister tone yet - but I think based on what I hear, that you might make it authentic with work.and of course, some subtle fx that accentuate the part will help. as well as help it cut through the bed without turning it into a diva mix.lyrically .... a word out here, a word phrased differently there .... it'll work. of course, it's generic to a degree and it doesn't really have much color in it but if it's a literal darkness you're after, it's close. there are some lines that I believe you'll improve on - (I'm guessing you evaluate and rewrite here and there as you go ...)what I'd like to see is a bit more of the conceptual value of lines like "this guilded cage" and "you're the author of lies" ... each verse stanza needs at least one of those lines that lend to imagination. while still holding onto the generality of the lyric so a wide variety of listeners can make the song "theirs".there's other things I could talk about but I think this will be a morphing song so I will just wait to see how it builds and how it learns it's way.

[wta]

cj, I like where your head goes. You've got your ideas but at the same time still open to things that may be outside your "box" if you will and that is a VERY cool quality, rare frankly imo. Lyrics are also in phase one so there will be a development there as I was really mostly trying to grab words and phrasings that work within the feel. The verses, I like that lowish kinda vocal feel and it comes very naturally for me so playing with it, especially with darker tunes seems to be a bit of a signature for me. Yes this tune is going to morph for sure and yes I hear a Chris Cornel bit in that chorus but getting the melody has yet be evading me. I LOVE trying to do things I can't do and I've found that by that I've developed in everyway as a musician and songwriter so if you've got an idea bring it on mate. I can do a Cornel is thing though I really try NOT to sound "like" him but to take the higher register with some grit and yet, NOT easy at any level but I love singing there and again, with the right melody I can be done "ish". I do have to be careful as its too easy to get that grit from my vocal chords instead of my soft pallet and the former will kill my voice for days. I find like with all things the more I practice the more natural it gets. I am developing a "signature sound" recently for my new album so and you may get a bit of a deeper understanding by checking out "Let It Rain" at http://www.broadjam.com/player/player.p ... C6A0526CBA Today it's #3 on the modern rock charts there and been in the top 10 for the last 3 weeks or so... Oh and cj, I recorded this little bit for ya, have a listen and let me know what you think... www.williamthomasanderson.com/w2/rockvox Cheers man... wta

[ideascapes]

Will,Thinking, I was hearing the re-post, I listened to almost all of the old version before I realized that the vocals were NEVER going to arrive...Once I found the right, newer post...Definitely a cool song with the vocals and all the atmospherics. The voice is a little low in the mix at times and risk being over-powered by the pretty loud guitar on the right playing the following lines. I haven't decided whether the vocal being closer mic'd than everything else is a plus or minus, but that's a production choice for you, obviously. You definitely have a unique "artist" voice and that's good thing.Overall, the tune certainly seems film/TV pitchable, with it's consistent vibe, haunting verse sound, and energetic chorus. Or could be released by you as an artist. What's you're intention?I listened to "Let it Rain" and can understand why it's charting on B-jam. An emerging theme here is your engineering/production--sounds spacious and full at the same time, which is a sign of a pro. Congrats!Vince

[cjdenecia]

will ....Quote:Oh and cj, I recorded this little bit for ya, have a listen and let me know what you think...www.williamthomasanderson.com/w2/rockvoxdefinitely. now, with THAT voice, maybe a bit of a high topping on the chorus - BUT, with a little piece of ending vibrato to make it a scream-sing vs a straight forward growl ... not bruce dickenson style but with a little follow up tone ... might be just what takes it over the top.

[wignelson]

Hey, Will,Sorry to hear you were under the weather. I like the song's eclectic feel and the dreamy dissonance of the git call and answer.My only nit is that the vocals never "break free." It's like you were holding back and that seems a little ironic considering the subject matter.I know you have the capability to punch it and really belt out the break free line. Here's what I would do: Automate the volume envelope to cut about 2 dB's right before the break free line in the chorus. Listen in cans while you sing it - you should have a little trouble hearing yourself and have to almost scream to equal the volume of the music.I'm thinking the way that Morrison's vocals would raise to an emotional peak as well as a peak in the message.So, go ahead and break free with those BIG vocals when you're feeling better.Wig

[wta]

Vince, glad to see ya here in P2P land, this is by far my favorite part of this forum and taxi. There are some real talented guys hang round here and the feedback is priceless. Thank you for your time and encourgement mate, your insights are valuable and your kind word are humbling and graciously received. cj, Dickerson has a style I just couldn't imagine touching, so much talent and such an original vocalist but I here where your going and I'm getting some ideas. More on that... wig, I'm still looking for the magical melody to belt out and I'm still working the kinks out but she's coming. What I typically do is I'd spent a few hours in a recording/writing session and I'll do a quick mix/master take that audio file and listen to it in a causual enviroment and just let it look. Usually I get organic ideas from it and either take a mini recorder and grap the idea right there or I'll bolt down the my studio and record it. I come from the mindset that no idea is a bad idea as it could lead to the perfect idea so with that the keeper vocal melody may come at the beginging or it may be the last thing I record. But I'm with ya, this chorus will not be the final for sure. As always mate your time and input is a huge help. I've got some new stuff that I'm still wrestling with and will have an update very soon! wta

[stephen1977]

Well it was interesting listening to this after listening to the fresh out of the 1991 vault.

[wta]

LOL! It's a work in progress, a first draft/scetch if you will but ya pretty big difference. I only did the vocals and acoustic tracks on the 91' piece but this I all my unhandy work...