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Post by DannyWeber » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:32 pm

Not complaining but I need to know for the production of my other songs, please. The screener said the recordings for all these cover songs is not broadcast quality. Do you agree? Feedback appreciated.

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Re: Not complaining but...

Post by Russell Landwehr » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:45 pm

Hi Danny.

You did good work. The only observations I feel confident in mentioning to you is the lack of depth and separation of elements. This can be achieved in the mix using EQing, panning and reverb/delay FX. Out of those three, your mixes could have made better use of reverb and delay. Additionally, the mixes seemed to lack bottom end.

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Post by DannyWeber » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:55 pm

Thanks Russell that makes sense.
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Post by PeterD » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:56 pm

Definitely interesting versions, for sure, but I was detecting a bit of "stiffness" to them. Your events seemed to be very quantized, lacking that human feel needed to sound more convincing. Being mechanical has a time and place, but I think it hurt you with the songs you did. That said, I think I liked Rosanna the best.

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Post by DannyWeber » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:02 pm

Thanks Peter!
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Post by andygabrys » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:01 pm

hey danny,

yep I agree with the screener.

to your credit, that is a lot of work, and you picked three tunes that are performed by great bands, and had amazing mixes for the time as well.

here's my opinion:

#1) - drum sounds. You choose three songs which have live rock drums. The drum patterns you employed were not quite there (evidence the legendary almost Purdie Shuffle in rosanna - I didn't hear the driving high hat figure as much as I would have like, and the ghosting on the snare was pretty much absent). But more than that, its the actual sounds. Any drum plugin (Addictive, NI Studio drummer, Superior drummer, ezdrummer, BFD2/3 with appropriate kit) will get you closer - and the trick is to not over process them.

#2) - guitar sounds. I am not sure, but I am hearing something with the guitar sounds that makes me think "played on a keyboard". Very skillfully done if so, but not quite hearing the grit and the sweat I would expect to hear (I am principally a guitarist). The bass also makes me think of a NI Scarbee Music man sample instead of a live bass. I could be way off, the bass could be a modulus graphite kinda thing and the guitar might be live, but the tones sound a little bit "worked" for what I expected to hear (again, referencing the originals, cause you did do sound-alikes)

#3) mix quality - pretty good - but not quite all there either. Not so much of a balance issue, or a panning thing, but its fitting stuff together - gluing it. Most evident with how the vocals fit in with the track itself, and beyond that the guitar / bass / drum sounds are a little hard to knit together.

HTH - perhaps that will help you do other similar productions.

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Post by DannyWeber » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:49 am

Thanks Andy
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Post by Kolstad » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:05 am

Hey, the performance qualities of these songs are really great!
Really well executed.

The drums were a dead giveaway from first hit in all of them, imo.
They sound onedimensional and overprocessed.

If you get some great drum libraries, and go from there, you'll be a lot closer to nailing these genres.
The rest (gtrs and vocals) might work in context with better drums, or will be easier to mix with more real sounding drums).

The pro trick is to compress tracks with quite easy settings, but several times (on the way in, on individual tracks, on a buss, a mixbuss and maybe the master, yeah thats 5, and sometimes two compressors are used on individual tracks and busses), in order to pack a punch without making it sound fake.

Remember also to use the best monitors you can afford, that's where you can hear good enough to sculpt your sound.

That's where I'd start anyway, fwiw.

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Post by DannyWeber » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:32 am

Thanks for the tips Magne!
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