piano soft synths

[trentoliphant]

Jul 9, 2009, 5:14am, wings wrote:Jul 8, 2009, 8:11pm, brindabella wrote:Ok, is it real or is it Memorex? http://www.taximusic.com/stream/237202/EnAutomne.mp3If it's real - it's incredibly mechanical, imho. I've known plenty of players over the years that although they are technically brilliant - they lack any kind of feeling in their playing. It is all very mechanical - and not just on a piece like this.

[brindabella]

Jul 9, 2009, 11:07am, trentoliphant wrote:Jul 9, 2009, 5:14am, wings wrote:If it's real - it's incredibly mechanical, imho. I've known plenty of players over the years that although they are technically brilliant - they lack any kind of feeling in their playing. It is all very mechanical - and not just on a piece like this.Sure, what I call "Piano Gymnastics". A piece of fluff to show off, which is what this piece is all about, which brings me back to the original argument, if it sounds mechanical blame the player, not the sampler.

[mojobone]

One of my favorite tests for a sampled piano is strike and hold down the lowest "C" and another two octaves above it and listen for loops in the decay.

[wings]

FWIW, brindabella, I do agree with ya. I'm being picky...but sometimes the piece calls for REALLY GOOD samples, and sometimes they just don't cut it.Good test, mojo - and another one you can do is do a base octive A- cord, followed by a good- 1,2,3,4,5,4,3,2,1 up higher and see how well the base cord holds... for me, that's huge.~wings~

[trentoliphant]

Jul 9, 2009, 11:31am, brindabella wrote:Sure, what I call "Piano Gymnastics". A piece of fluff to show off, which is what this piece is all about, which brings me back to the original argument, if it sounds mechanical blame the player, not the sampler.I couldn't agree more.

[wings]

Jul 9, 2009, 11:07am, trentoliphant wrote:Jul 9, 2009, 5:14am, wings wrote:If it's real - it's incredibly mechanical, imho. I've known plenty of players over the years that although they are technically brilliant - they lack any kind of feeling in their playing. It is all very mechanical - and not just on a piece like this.Absolutely.~wings~

[brindabella]

Yup! And I dont think that just by playing a real piano you could sound expressive. You have Yanni and all those Yanni sound alikes and they sound as tasty as a piece of wood. But what do I know? Yanni is laughing all the way to the bank!

[wings]

Jul 9, 2009, 12:19pm, brindabella wrote:Yup! And I dont think that just by playing a real piano you could sound expressive. You have Yanni and all those Yanni sound alikes and they sound as tasty as a piece of wood. But what do I know? Yanni is laughing all the way to the bank!Too true!!Ok, I'll play...The song: Waitinghttp://www.taxi.com/wingsReal or fake piano? ~wings~

[brindabella]

Look, we are going round and round about this and all I said was that I did not agree with the statement that just because you play a VI you have to sound like a robot. That part of what comes thru is your playing, your expression, your inner soul, whatever you want to call it. I think you are confusing a beautiful sound with all this. There is a warmth typical to the sound of a piano that is hard to get with a VI instrument, albeit part of that sound is the way the player plays. I knew a violinist that had the most terrible sound ever, it didnt improve when he played a Stradivari. And with the right mastering tools you could get a beautiful sound too.Here's this song, it was recorded on an acoustic piano,a vertical one. Is it expressive? I certainly think so! Does it sound good? No, it could sound even better, it could prob. sound more "real" if I knew better about mastering, but it would be as expressive ( or not) if I played it on a VI.http://www.taximusic.com/stream/250312/Malecon.mp3BTW: Waiting is beautiful!

[crs7string]

Jul 9, 2009, 1:13pm, brindabella wrote:Look, we are going round and round about this and all I said was that I did not agree with the statement that just because you play a VI you have to sound like a robot. That part of what comes thru is your playing, your expression, your inner soul, whatever you want to call it. I think you are confusing a beautiful sound with all this. There is a warmth typical to the sound of a piano that is hard to get with a VI instrument, albeit part of that sound is the way the player plays. I knew a violinist that had the most terrible sound ever, it didnt improve when he played a Stradivari. And with the right mastering tools you could get a beautiful sound too.Here's this song, it was recorded on an acoustic piano,a vertical one. Is it expressive? I certainly think so! Does it sound good? No, it could sound even better, it could prob. sound more "real" if I knew better about mastering, but it would be as expressive ( or not) if I played it on a VI.http://www.taximusic.com/stream/250312/Malecon.mp3BTW: Waiting is beautiful! Laura, I agree with you.Ivory's Italian Grand has 12 velocity levels. The player's touch WILL have an impact on the outcome.I've recorded a midi track and then scaled the velocity and it changes the piece dramatically.Chuck