Vocal Plug Ins

[milfus]

ack sorry, and on a harmonizer, it works by pitch correcting the instance of the input to different tunes and layering them, maybe with offsets, but at its base, it is still just a pitch correction plug-in that stacks instances of corrections

[stoney]

still not sure if you are talking about the technical aspects of the plugin itself or the general rules of music theory.If you're talking about music theory I think you are over complicating things. Your comment "nah just a general term for the note range, and a track under them, meaning in pitch either higher or lower," still confuses me. 'Note range' to me refers to the scale degrees so your response should have been yes to my previous statement. Still don't know what you mean by track under, sorry........what do you mean by tracking? under the live vocal? the artificial vocal created by the harmonizer?? Creating a double track vocal??But I still stand by what I say. A pitch correction automates the tuning of a live vocal a harmonizer adds a second or third voice so that harmonies are created, such as harmonies in 3rds, 5ths and so on. Yes with some pitch correction plugs you can physically move the sung note, 9 times out of 10 why would you want to do that when you can just re-record! Maybe you have different plugins that do different jobs but if I put a harmonizer on an out of tune vocal it will stay out of tune unless I do endless edits and automation but when you have a client waiting for delivery you don't have time for that.

[milfus]

nah see, you are over thinking it, a scale degree is a group of frequency that gradually changes into another degree, so a note range is just a looser term for a scale degree, cause its the range of frequencies that are consider that note, since we are talking correction, i used it to include the slighting out of tune notes.yeah but a harmonizer is just a pitch corrector that corrects to whatever the source pitch is multiple times, you set your harmonies, you sing, it takes the note you sang, and corrects copies of it into the harmonies you set. and in the context he is talking about, his home set up, i am willing to bet he just wants to save time by correcting one or two off notes, instead of a trashing a take, pitch correction isn't and will never be live only, due to time/efficiency of saving one or two notes in a take.the under thing, say you sang at middle c, you wanted harmonies an octave below, you record a harmony track at c below middle c, and then use that take to harmonize. other wise you are bending all you harmonies from an octave above and they will be WAY more distorted.

[stoney]

I'm over thinking? Definitely do too much of that! But Milf you are now talking maths here so think you might be in the same boat as me.I understand how frequency equates to pitch Milf no need to explain it to me the under thing seems way too lengthy when I'm in a session I'll ask the client to either just double an octave down/up or some other musical degree in between. If it's out of tune they do it again! If it's still out of tune Top Line or harmony stick autotune on it. If you know how to use correctly 99.9% of the population never know and in most cases don't even care.

[milfus]

yeah thats great, if you only work with absolutely flawless singers, which in my experience, dont really exists. Sometimes they cant hit a note/don't have the money to go back and re-record, and you have to do "forensic" mixing.

[stoney]

guess I only ever work with flawless singers!!...........I wish.Fortunately my work only needs signers on occasion and the four or five singers that I use are all pretty good at keeping tune even when harmonizing.But it's true there are some hum dingers out there that can't

[milfus]

yeah, and for some reason, they all live around the studios i work at hahahayou are right though, its funny, the guys who dont need second takes, will give ya one in a heart beat, the people who miss one or two notes, generally try to run away

[sirj]

May 19, 2008, 9:58am, ajenkz wrote:Alright, i've got my macbook now and im getting used to Logic Express, and i'll start tracking for all of my projects in June. I've got an extremely full plate though with all of the stuff I have lined up and the things I need to finish from earlier in the year, so a huge help would be a vocal harmony plug in. Can anyone refer me to any good ones that will work with LE? Also, any other plug ins that might help me out? I record onto a Tascam DP01, get everything lined up and sounding good on there, then dump those tracks into LE.I think Melodyne is all you need. If you check their product would realize there is a reason why all the pros use it. It just make pitch correction easy and natural and for harmonies is even better.(you would have to transport on your own each track that you want to harmonize it doesn't do automatic harmonic)