Re: Higher End Studio Gear Can Make a Song

sgs4u · Post by **sgs4u** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:54 pm

Quote:The exceptions are room acoustics and monitors, since those usually have the most drastic effect on how your mixes translate of all the tools in the process. Andre again with the facts I have avoided dealing with,thx pal

prez · Post by **prez** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:43 pm

Quote:Give us an example of high production values with poor gear?Well Steve gave the example. The Beatles. Just a four track for Sgt. Pepper. But the production...pretty off the chain for a four track. And this was not in a high end studio. Didn't they do that in a warehouse kind of deal? In the 80's, Richard Marx is reported using an 8-track for his demo. Some of the production was so good, the record company just mastered the song straight from the demo.Salt n' Pepa's "Push It" was done with a stinkin Casio. Sounded good in the clubs and the song was huge.These are lightweight examples but you get the idea. I think the day of "high end" gear has come into an age where that statement alone is purely subjective. Expensive gear is still here. Always will be. But high end....shoot...Absynth is high end and it's only a couple hundred bucks. But the average listener doesn't go into detail like this. They just like the song. Otherwise, the radio wouldn't be filled with songs squashed to no can go. They don't care. Sounds good enough to them and the song is dope.

ernstinen · Post by **ernstinen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:39 am

Um, Sgt. Pepper was recorded in the best studio in the world with the best room, equipment, microphones, instruments, amplifiers, engineers, arranger/producer etc. It WAS recorded on a 1/2" 4-track and bounced a lot. I believe they synced up 4-tracks later on during the sessions (I'll have to look it up).The Abbey Road engineers were so well trained that they literally were the cream-of-the-crop scientists and wore white lab jackets.See more in the "Sgt. Pepper" thread. Lots of good information there.Ernie Pepper

ernstinen · Post by **ernstinen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:45 am

Quote:Hey Ern then you'll need this? Ernie Pepper's secret weaponWow, Gunter, that's awesome! Never heard of this before. Just the instrument/amplifier list made me cough up a lung! Thanks for that,Ern

ernstinen · Post by **ernstinen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:03 am

Ernie Pepper makes a boo boo! The Studer J37 was a ONE INCH four-track machine. No wonder it sounded so awesome!Ern

sgs4u · Post by **sgs4u** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:31 am

my example quoting the Beatles was actually in jest, for the times, the Beatles always used the best of everything available to make the sounds on their records. Prez can't be saying that those tools and methods, the Beatles used to create those masterpieces, were less than state-of-the-art? like the gear didn't matter? Buddy! but whatever YOU pay attention to is what matters, so as the boys say in Canada, Give'r I have a very small rig, but if my rig was big... hey that sounds like a lyric in there!

prez · Post by **prez** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:05 pm

Well..I stand corrected on the Beatles reference. Forgive my lack of in depth knowledge on that. That's why I asked the question in my post.The bottom line to whole thing is that we'll have to agree to disagree. I can do that. And even though you may not like my 'tone' or the fact that I make urban music, or whatever other excuse you have for not liking me, it'll change nathan just going back and forth about it. For me, it's a wrap. Peace.

ernstinen · Post by **ernstinen** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:10 pm

Quote: my example quoting the Beatles was actually in jestIt WAS!? Just to give the Beatles their props for songwriting/performing, have you guys ever heard "The Hamburg Tapes?" Terrible recording, fantastic performances. "Live At The Hollywood Bowl" --- same thing. Whatever they did (until the end) was great, IMHO, whether they had the best gear in the world or not. Funny story:June 6, 1962 Abbey Road Studios.Engineer Norman Smith: "They had such duff equipment. Ugly unpainted wooden amplifiers, extremely noisy, with earth loops and goodness knows what. There was as much noise coming from the amps as there was from the instruments.We gave them a long lecture about their equipment. When we finished, George Martin said 'Look, I've laid into you for quite a time, you haven't reponded. Is there anything you don't like?' I remember they all looked at each other for a long while, shuffling their feet, then George Harrison took a long look at George and said 'Yeah, I don't like your tie!' That cracked the ice for us and for the next 15-20 minutes they were pure entertainment. When they left to go home George and I just sat there saying 'Phew! What do you think of that lot then?' I had tears running down my face."Ernie Beatle

johnnydean1 · Post by **johnnydean1** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:22 pm

Quote:Quote: my example quoting the Beatles was actually in jestIt WAS!? Just to give the Beatles their props for songwriting/performing, have you guys ever heard "The Hamburg Tapes?" Terrible recording, fantastic performances. "Live At The Hollywood Bowl" --- same thing. Whatever they did (until the end) was great, IMHO, whether they had the best gear in the world or not. Funny story:June 6, 1962 Abbey Road Studios.Engineer Norman Smith: "They had such duff equipment. Ugly unpainted wooden amplifiers, extremely noisy, with earth loops and goodness knows what. There was as much noise coming from the amps as there was from the instruments.We gave them a long lecture about their equipment. When we finished, George Martin said 'Look, I've laid into you for quite a time, you haven't reponded. Is there anything you don't like?' I remember they all looked at each other for a long while, shuffling their feet, then George Harrison took a long look at George and said 'Yeah, I don't like your tie!' That cracked the ice for us and for the next 15-20 minutes they were pure entertainment. When they left to go home George and I just sat there saying 'Phew! What do you think of that lot then?' I had tears running down my face."Ernie Beatle As fab as the fab four were they were still capable of making crap records.Most of the tracks on Let It Be for example.

sgs4u · Post by **sgs4u** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:36 pm

and I stand humbly corrected as well,Quote: Give'r