Out of My Life

[wignelson]

Would this be suitable for Adult Contemporary?Here is the link and the listing:http://www.taximusic.com/song.php?song_ ... rueLISTING -- ADULT CONTEMPORARY SONGS in the wide range of Michael Bolton, Barbara Streissand, Seal, Annie Lennox, Peter Gabriel, Sting, Whitney Houston, Josh Groban, Celine Dion, etc. are wanted by an established Music Publisher in Los Angeles. This company specializes in Film/TV and has signed & secured placements for many TAXI members. While the stylistic approach can be widely varied, they'll be looking for original songs that have a "timeless" quality and overall tone - no covers, please. Lyrics should be universal enough as to apply to a variety of situations/scenes/characters. Performances and the sound quality must be excellent (solid demo recordings are okay as long as the quality is there). They offer a non-exclusive, 50/50 split deal - you keep your original copyrights. Broadcast quality needed. Please submit one to three songs online or per CD. All submissions will be screened and critiqued by TAXI and must be received by November 10, 2008.TAXI # S081110AC

[billg]

Wig, I think this is closer than "Dangerous Days" but I think the BIG HOOK you need for these types of songs just isn't there with this. It does have the "timeless" quality though . . . getting closer!

[sgs4u]

Did you pay someone to do these demos for you Wig? If you are, stop. If you're not, it might be a good idea to investigate someone who can really do YOUR style. I dig your singing, but these demos just aren't up to standard, yet.

[wignelson]

Oct 6, 2008, 3:05pm, sgs4u wrote:Did you pay someone to do these demos for you Wig? If you are, stop. If you're not, it might be a good idea to investigate someone who can really do YOUR style. I dig your singing, but these demos just aren't up to standard, yet. I can imagine the same thing being said to Bob Dylan. Now listen for the Steve a Gilbert reply, "You're no Bob Dylan!"Yes, you're right, Steve. But I play all the instruments and do all the vocals with a few exceptions from friends stopping by the studio. (A bedroom without a bed)Fortunately none of them has had the bad taste to suggested that they know what my music should sound like according to my style.Lets listen to you, Steve. Now is that you, or is that what some third party thinks you should sound like.You take yourself too seriously. I have the good fortune to have people come up to me and say, " I listen to your CD all the time and the music really stays with me."Sorry for that, but I think that you are an arrogant person. You say you want to help people, but you can't help letting the mean spirited person that you are cut through ever so slightly. Gosh, you'd have to be a real paranoid like me to even catch on to it.What a wonderful way you have of telling people that you find no endearing qualities to the music they make. Thanks for that, Steve.

[davewalton]

Oct 6, 2008, 4:50pm, wignelson wrote:Oct 6, 2008, 3:05pm, sgs4u wrote:Did you pay someone to do these demos for you Wig? If you are, stop. If you're not, it might be a good idea to investigate someone who can really do YOUR style. I dig your singing, but these demos just aren't up to standard, yet. I can imagine the same thing being said to Bob Dylan. Now listen for the Steve a Gilbert reply, "You're no Bob Dylan!"Yes, you're right, Steve. But I play all the instruments and do all the vocals with a few exceptions from friends stopping by the studio. (A bedroom without a bed)Fortunately none of them has had the bad taste to suggested that they know what my music should sound like according to my style.Lets listen to you, Steve. Now is that you, or is that what some third party thinks you should sound like.You take yourself too seriously. I have the good fortune to have people come up to me and say, " I listen to your CD all the time and the music really stays with me."Sorry for that, but I think that you are an arrogant person. You say you want to help people, but you can't help letting the mean spirited person that you are cut through ever so slightly. Gosh, you'd have to be a real paranoid like me to even catch on to it.What a wonderful way you have of telling people that you find no endearing qualities to the music they make. Thanks for that, Steve.Composition (notes, chords, melody) is separate from recording/production and I don't see the latter as a commentary on the songwriter. Improvement to sound and production can mean instant transformation for the success of a single song.Take Brindabella. She writes lovely piano music but not so long ago the quality of her piano samples and recording made it difficult for her compositions to get through. So she buys one (1) quality virtual piano instrument, plugs it into where her old piano sound used to be, runs her compositions through the new piano and *PRESTO*... instant improvement to the point where she gets her music signed. Keeping the composition aspect out of it, the listing you've targeted requires broadcast quality but the track you posted simply doesn't have broadcast quality. Nothing can be more mean spirited than telling someone "Your production quality is fine... no worries" and then let them slog through endless rejections while wondering what the hell is going on since everyone says their production is fine. So anyway, I only do instrumentals and can't speak to things like how "current" the lyric might be or if it would be the type of thing we'd hear on the new 90210. But, without any mean-spirited aspect at all, I can say for sure that for film/tv, with this particular song at least, you either need to improve your production skills or do like Casey... write the music and have a studio do the demo. Casey has had some nice placements and one song in particular (Painfully Single) seems to show up all over the place. It's no big deal... music is a craft that requires constant attention and we're all on the same journey. Nobody that I know personally has "arrived". We all go through a (sometimes long) period where we slowly evolve the quality of our sound and overall music as well. HTH,Dave

[heinsite]

i had to laugh wigs--on one of my/zoom's latest entries to the forum, steve basically said to most of my lyrics the "i'm no bob dylan" thing too--then was kind enough to post a dylan tune. that is very cool with me BTW. but nope, i aint bob dylan, and neither are you, and this is BEFORE I LISTEN TO YOUR TUNE. just a philosophical point. i've decided and check in to go to the rally, and i'm gunna give whoever is on this forum a big damned kiss. i dig you all..now i will listen to your song!! had to get that out first...laterwarren

[heinsite]

ok wigs, just another opinion;the production is lacking, and so what...for now.the verse music is quite good. the lyrics can use a bit of work, a bit general. what i personally would like to hear is your instrumental worked into a more recognizable chorus. i really don't hear one (yet)but i can hear the guts of a very good song hear. the harmony is way cool and well done.but:1) no real chorus, basically to my ears you have all verses in this tune, and for this genre, that won't really work...2) a bit too general a lyric, my suggestion is to be a bit more specific! that's what "they" will tell you....3) the structure is still very cool, sans a dominating chorus, which you can fix (if you want to...), it's still your song...1) you do have some good lines here, 2) the music is quite well done3) dig the harmony, i'd start it earlier BTWok, that's my uneducated take my friend, it's a damn good start IMHO.the best,warren

[wignelson]

Oct 6, 2008, 5:44pm, davewalton wrote:Oct 6, 2008, 4:50pm, wignelson wrote:I can imagine the same thing being said to Bob Dylan. Now listen for the Steve a Gilbert reply, "You're no Bob Dylan!"Yes, you're right, Steve. But I play all the instruments and do all the vocals with a few exceptions from friends stopping by the studio. (A bedroom without a bed)Fortunately none of them has had the bad taste to suggested that they know what my music should sound like according to my style.Lets listen to you, Steve. Now is that you, or is that what some third party thinks you should sound like.You take yourself too seriously. I have the good fortune to have people come up to me and say, " I listen to your CD all the time and the music really stays with me."Sorry for that, but I think that you are an arrogant person. You say you want to help people, but you can't help letting the mean spirited person that you are cut through ever so slightly. Gosh, you'd have to be a real paranoid like me to even catch on to it.What a wonderful way you have of telling people that you find no endearing qualities to the music they make. Thanks for that, Steve.Composition (notes, chords, melody) is separate from recording/production and I don't see the latter as a commentary on the songwriter. Improvement to sound and production can mean instant transformation for the success of a single song.Take Brindabella. She writes lovely piano music but not so long ago the quality of her piano samples and recording made it difficult for her compositions to get through. So she buys one (1) quality virtual piano instrument, plugs it into where her old piano sound used to be, runs her compositions through the new piano and *PRESTO*... instant improvement to the point where she gets her music signed. Keeping the composition aspect out of it, the listing you've targeted requires broadcast quality but the track you posted simply doesn't have broadcast quality. Nothing can be more mean spirited than telling someone "Your production quality is fine... no worries" and then let them slog through endless rejections while wondering what the hell is going on since everyone says their production is fine. So anyway, I only do instrumentals and can't speak to things like how "current" the lyric might be or if it would be the type of thing we'd hear on the new 90210. But, without any mean-spirited aspect at all, I can say for sure that for film/tv, with this particular song at least, you either need to improve your production skills or do like Casey... write the music and have a studio do the demo. Casey has had some nice placements and one song in particular (Painfully Single) seems to show up all over the place. It's no big deal... music is a craft that requires constant attention and we're all on the same journey. Nobody that I know personally has "arrived". We all go through a (sometimes long) period where we slowly evolve the quality of our sound and overall music as well. HTH,DaveThanks, Dave. I agree with you, but I think I need to place a song in a genre before I pay for a demo. Waste of money otherwise.But I agree with you that the paint isn't dry (I'm paraphrasing) in that you can change any number of aspects of a song at any time.That's why I seek advice from you guys.It makes you think you can get it right sometime. Always the optimist. "Wishin' for bad luck and knock'in on wood."

[sgs4u]

Oct 6, 2008, 4:50pm, wignelson wrote:Oct 6, 2008, 3:05pm, sgs4u wrote:Did you pay someone to do these demos for you Wig? If you are, stop. If you're not, it might be a good idea to investigate someone who can really do YOUR style. I dig your singing, but these demos just aren't up to standard, yet. I can imagine the same thing being said to Bob Dylan. Now listen for the Steve a Gilbert reply, "You're no Bob Dylan!" Yeesh you're right. You're no Bob Dylan. Come to think of it, neither am I. I'm not at all insulted by that, however. Quote:Yes, you're right, Steve. But I play all the instruments and do all the vocals with a few exceptions from friends stopping by the studio. (A bedroom without a bed)I do the same thing, and usually wish I could pay my awesome friends to play on my demos, or get 'em farmed out to Nashville's finest. Depends on the style. I'm quite good at a lot of things, but I really do know a lot about my limitations as well. I don't generally post my tunes anymore, but you can listen and comment on anything you want to, if you feel inclined. www.taxi.com/steveagilbert Quote:Fortunately none of them has had the bad taste to suggested that they know what my music should sound like according to my style. Lets listen to you, Steve. Now is that you, or is that what some third party thinks you should sound like. I was in bad taste? Style isn't rocket science. Sometimes it takes a while to figure out what genre songs might be in, as far as Taxi's needs are concerned. Sure took me a long time. But is it fortunate that your friends aren't aware of how high the standards are for Taxi submissions? Your style, is up to you. However, if you keep playing all your instruments yourself, you are going to keep sounding the way you do, until you get a better handle on what Taxi clients are going to pay you money for. You can deny it, or be pissed at me all you want. I'd rather we be friends, but I already have lots. I'm not actually here on this forum for people to like me. A lot of people have noticed. I'm here to learn, share and experience music as a way of life. And you don't need to listen to me. But you are posting on a public forum, asking for feedback. You don't like what I have to say, no problem. I'll stop commenting on your demos. That's a promise. Quote:You take yourself too seriously. I have the good fortune to have people come up to me and say, " I listen to your CD all the time and the music really stays with me." Sorry for that, but I think that you are an arrogant person. I'm actually more of a class clown than anything else. You're right that I'm arrogant tho. Does that mean what I have to say isn't valid, or that you need to insult me? Quote: You say you want to help people, but you can't help letting the mean spirited person that you are cut through ever so slightly. Gosh, you'd have to be a real paranoid like me to even catch on to it. Well, there are lots of people here I've helped, in a lot of different ways. Sometimes it's just making members laugh out loud once in a while, with my brash or snarky behavior. Little bits of nasty Steve do squirt out Wig, in fact they're pretty well-documented. Generally speaking, I throw a lot of love around. Quote:What a wonderful way you have of telling people that you find no endearing qualities to the music they make. Why do you want to stretch what I told you, into that kind of remark? I guess I'll just quote myself, at the risk of appearing even more arrogant. This is what I actually wrote. Oct 6, 2008, 3:05pm, sgs4u wrote:Did you pay someone to do these demos for you Wig? If you are, stop. If you're not, it might be a good idea to investigate someone who can really do YOUR style. I dig your singing, but these demos just aren't up to standard, yet. Even tho you don't like how I said what I said, it's obvious that your skin needs to thicken up a bit. You can remain angry with me as long as you want. And like I said, you won't need to bother yourself with what I think anymore.

[cameron]

Hey Wig,Steve tore up the last song I posted in a PM to me, but I don't consider it mean-spirited. It's hard to hear your baby is ugly, but we can tweak our songs to make them better, even if our kids will always look like dorks. I didn't agree with everything Steve said (still don't) but a pro review pretty much echoed what he said and it's no use sticking my head in the sand and pretending I don't need to make it better.If you're doing well selling your CD's to your fans, by all means keep doing what you're doing. If you want to be successful with the industry listings though, you need to listen to all opinions, even when they're not what you wanted to hear. We're all here to help each other and I personally would rather have people's honest opinion. If ten people review your song and tell you it's great and Steve says it sucks, then you can tell him to f%$# off, but my sense is he's usually right, even if he's a bit blunt in his delivery.My opinion about your song (that's what this is about, remember?) is that you have a good voice, and a decent song, albeit one that could use a stronger hook, as already mentioned. The production quality is just not there for the listing though. I think a great production (a la mild Bill) could make all the difference here.Camp.s. And it doesn't escape me that if Dylan posted here and we didn't know who Dylan was, we'd probably tear him up too.