Help me out on this one guys!

[ibanez468]

Quote:This has a good vibe to it, I'm not sure it's a news instrumental although maybe it could be used there, not sure.I'm almost sure something along this vibe has been used before on a news broadcast. It's probably dated though. I can hear something to this effect on a couple of different news stations, but it's been some time ago. It's still in my memory though. When this listing popped up, I immediately remembered that particular vibe.Quote:OK, now why did it take you so damn long to get to the guitar stuff at the end!!! Man you're a good guitar player and I'd rather have heard some type of guitar melody instead of the synth early on. Your synth sounds are OK but they'd work better if you used more live guitar over the top of them. You probably have a gazillion different guitar sounds at your disposal and you could have moved among some of them as the piece progressed..Well, this was only my 4th submittal at the time. I think I was still tryin ta' get a feel for what would be accepted and what wouldn't. So I was playin' it safe. At the time, I thought the synth lead would be a safer move. I guess that's why it got returned. I don't know. I think this was a YES/NO listing, so of course, I never got a reason as to why it was returned. Man, I thought this post was DEAD. I didn't expect to see this one again.Quote:I would have started with the ending riff: ba ba da ba da ba POW and then in to the melody on strong guitar. Then maybe after 30 seconds go in to the synthy stuff for contrast and then end with the melody on guitar and the guitar lead riffing in the background in the spaces. Don't wait too long to get in to it. Hit em hard right away. This isn't the same as writing a cut for a CD where you've got time to build. You'll lose them after 5 or 10 seconds if you don't grab them up front. The drum fill at the beginning was very stiff and I'd dispense with that and use the ending riff instead. Yeah, that's pretty much what one of my buddies told me too, after I had already submitted. And that's how I've written for so long. Like writing a cut for a CD. But...I am beginning to move away from that approach, as I understand better now, we only got 1-3 minutes. I'm learning Mazz! It doesn't take me long to figure most things out. Plus with all the input from all the forum members, I'm listening, and I'm learning. I'm suckin' it ALL in as best I can. I will be re-working this tune over whenever I can get around to it. New opportunities keep poppin' up with every new listing, and I just keep movin' forward. Start off with the ending riff, huh? That's a good idea! I got ya'! See, I didn't think of that ending riff until I got to the end of composin' the song. I got stuck tryin ta' come up with somethin' catchy at the end, until I figured that out. But it never dawned on me to use it at the beginning. Good idea MAZZ! I'll keep these suggestions on file so whenever I get back to it, I can implement them. Quote:I'm being hard on you but I know you can take it! Oh no, go ahead, be hard, I'm use to it. My producer buddy tells it to me like it 'TIS. He doesn't pull any punches. I take it for what it is though. Constructive criticism. I'm cool with that. Besides, they TOLD me to listen to Mazz. Thanks for the input bro'. I will be puttin' it ta' good use when I get around to this one again.ibanez468

[ibanez468]

Hey vickytbp!Thanks for the compliment. Sorry about the drum sounds. I seem to have the same problem at times too. All we can do is keep workin' at it, and try ta' get better. BTW, did you get your piano all mic'ed up?ibanez468

[billg]

I'm with Mazz, we want more guitar!

[ibanez468]

HA HA HAAlright billg, I'll definitely keep that in mind when I do a re-work. ibanez468

[vicky]

Quote:Thanks for the compliment. Sorry about the drum sounds. I seem to have the same problem at times too. All we can do is keep workin' at it, and try ta' get better. BTW, did you get your piano all mic'ed up?hi...ibanez468I mic'ed the piano wrong the first time, but I have another shot at it this week...I wish I understood 'phasing' stuff a little more....it's something to watch out for, but I will be learning fast...thanks for asking....keep on rockin'.....Vicky

[andreh]

Hi Vicky-If you're happy with your previous piano recording except for the "phasing" issue, you could just nudge the recorded tracks around in your DAW until they're in phase (IOW, until they sound "right").Since phasing of this sort occurs because a source has been recorded from two points of varying distances (and therefore at slightly offset times), adjusting their playback times relative to one another will often fix the problem.For a more detailed explanation of why phase cancellation occurs (and how to avoid it), check this out: http://www.recordingeq.com/articles/321 ... ote:Thanks for the compliment. Sorry about the drum sounds. I seem to have the same problem at times too. All we can do is keep workin' at it, and try ta' get better. BTW, did you get your piano all mic'ed up?hi...ibanez468I mic'ed the piano wrong the first time, but I have another shot at it this week...I wish I understood 'phasing' stuff a little more....it's something to watch out for, but I will be learning fast...thanks for asking....keep on rockin'.....Vicky

[vicky]

Andréthanks...I will visually try that....thanks to everyoneVicky

[andreh]

Vicky-Looking at the waves up-close is a good starting point, but actually listening to the two out-of-phase tracks together, while you nudge one of them back and forth in time (starting with 100, then 10, then 2, then 1 sample increments), will allow you to hear for sure that things are in-phase. The sound will open up and sound much more natural, less "phasey," when you hit the mark.Due to the non-infinite nature of digital recording, this approach won't always get you 100% phase correction (which may require an "infinite" analog phase correction tool)...but it can make a big difference in many cases.AndreQuote:Andréthanks...I will visually try that....thanks to everyoneVicky

[vicky]

Andréthanks...I'm on it...Vicky

[mazz]

ibanez, you're on it, man. I know you're intense and passionate about this and it's only a matter of time!!Vicky, Here's an analog phase correction device like the one Andre was talking about: http://www.littlelabs.com/ibp.htmlThe "phase" switch that is on some consoles is really a "polarity" switch. In other words, it switches the channel 180 degrees out of phase with respect to the rest of the un-switched channels. This doesn't always work to fix phase issues because the mics are probably not fully 180 degrees out of phase. This little box goes from zero to 180 degrees but it is analog so there are no "increments" of samples, like what Andre is describing. Still his idea is a very good one and worth doing. You'll hear it immediately when the signals start to get in to phase. To really get the idea, make sure your tracks are both starting exactly at zero and then move one of them way out and start bringing it back toward zero. This way, you get a good idea of what "wrong" really sounds like and what happens when you approach "right".Have fun!Mazz