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Post by timejunkie » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:38 am

Hi everyone! I submitted 2 songs for this listing and did not get forwarded. Unfortunately, it was a no critique listing so I don't know the reason(s). I normally would not question the results (there's always another listing) however as far as writing style it really doesn't get more 80's than what I write. So Iwas a little suprised by the result.Anyway...to get to the point, my question or concern is that my "production" skills may not be what they should be and that may have been the reason for not being forwarded. That was my main concern about joining Taxi to begin with.Below is the details of the listing and you can hear the songs I submitted (Jaded & Heart Reaction) at my web site www.chipgallmusic.com or www.broadjam.com/chipgallmusicI would be greatful if someone could give me some insight as to why I may have not received a forward on this one. Thanks in advance for your support and input!Original 1980s SONGS & INSTRUMENTALS IN ALL GENRES [either recorded in the 1980s or on the mark style-wise -- think New Wave, Goth Rock, Punk, Adult Contemporary, Metal, College Rock, etc.] are needed by: Film, TV, and Advert. Music w/ 50/50 SPLIT + YOU KEEP ALL YOUR COPYRIGHTS with this NON-EXCLUSIVE Placement Company being started by veterans of that industry. The CEO of this company is a close friend of Michael Laskow's, and is very selective...so TAXI's bar is very high for this listing! They are looking for master quality songs; only the best will be selected...It's QUALITY not quantity, so this will be a huge opportunity for those who are chosen. Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened on a YES/NO BASIS ONLY -- NO CRITIQUES FROM TAXI. For ground submissions, please enclose a S.A.S.E. if you would like a response. Submissions must be received no later than June 29, 2006.TAXI # Y06062980

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Post by Casey H » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:59 am

Quote:Hi everyone! I submitted 2 songs for this listing and did not get forwarded. Unfortunately, it was a no critique listing so I don't know the reason(s). I normally would not question the results (there's always another listing) however as far as writing style it really doesn't get more 80's than what I write. So I was a little surprised by the result.Anyway...to get to the point, my question or concern is that my "production" skills may not be what they should be and that may have been the reason for not being forwarded. That was my main concern about joining Taxi to begin with.Below is the details of the listing and you can hear the songs I submitted (Jaded & Heart Reaction) at my web site www.chipgallmusic.com or www.broadjam.com/chipgallmusicI would be grateful if someone could give me some insight as to why I may have not received a forward on this one. Thanks in advance for your support and input!Original 1980s SONGS & INSTRUMENTALS IN ALL GENRES [either recorded in the 1980s or on the mark style-wise -- think New Wave, Goth Rock, Punk, Adult Contemporary, Metal, College Rock, etc.] are needed by: Film, TV, and Advert. Music w/ 50/50 SPLIT + YOU KEEP ALL YOUR COPYRIGHTS with this NON-EXCLUSIVE Placement Company being started by veterans of that industry. The CEO of this company is a close friend of Michael Laskow's, and is very selective...so TAXI's bar is very high for this listing! They are looking for master quality songs; only the best will be selected...It's QUALITY not quantity, so this will be a huge opportunity for those who are chosen. Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened on a YES/NO BASIS ONLY -- NO CRITIQUES FROM TAXI. For ground submissions, please enclose a S.A.S.E. if you would like a response. Submissions must be received no later than June 29, 2006.TAXI # Y06062980Hey ChipThe key here is what is underlined above. The bar was very high on this listing and production/engineering seemed to be the biggest factor. It does say that only the very best will be selected. I think your tracks are great but I am not qualified to judge the engineering, once it past the point of at least "very good". My ear doesn't hear anything wrong.Maybe others with better engineering expertise can comment. Also, don't be discouraged. The songs are definitely good enough to find a home somewhere in film/TV. They are great replacement tracks for 80's tunes. Keep plugging away. All the best, Casey

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Post by timejunkie » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:36 am

Thanks for your comments Casey...I think you are right...I'm sure I will get some great feedback here on the production end of things and I'm sure I will learn to take the songs to the next level from a production standpoint.I'll just keep pluggin' away....Cheers,Chip

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Post by toncart » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:06 am

I just listened to Heart Reaction and I think it's a good song and fits the listing well. It scares me that if a song like that does not get a forward, then what is the point of all of this. I know it would be very time consuming, but TAXI should have a 2 out of 3 policy. Each song gets 3 screeners if two give it a thumbs up for a listing, then it gets forwarded. TAXI's reaction would be time and money won't allow that kind of attention, but at $300 for a membership fee and $5 per listing (100 X $5 = 500), most people are looking to spend close to $1000 a year on hear trying to get heard. I say you should call TAXI and at least inquire about your songs. They seemed to be on the mark for 80's style music, especially for film or tv. I grew up on 80's rock and although it's not the Poison/Hairband sound, it's definately the sound of many songs that were on big movies such as Can't Buy Me Love and such. Keep trying man. I'm no screener, but I give you thumbs up.

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Post by nomiyah » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:23 am

Quote:I know it would be very time consuming, but TAXI should have a 2 out of 3 policy. Each song gets 3 screeners if two give it a thumbs up for a listing, then it gets forwarded. TAXI's reaction would be time and money won't allow that kind of attention, but at $300 for a membership fee and $5 per listing (100 X $5 = 500), most people are looking to spend close to $1000 a year on hear trying to get heard.Taxi would never do a 2 out of 3 policy. It has nothing to do with cost. They would have to go out of business if they forwarded songs they don't believe in 100%. They are putting their reputation on the line with every song, just like a regular A&R company. Nomi

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Post by toncart » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:41 am

Quote:Quote:I know it would be very time consuming, but TAXI should have a 2 out of 3 policy. Each song gets 3 screeners if two give it a thumbs up for a listing, then it gets forwarded. TAXI's reaction would be time and money won't allow that kind of attention, but at $300 for a membership fee and $5 per listing (100 X $5 = 500), most people are looking to spend close to $1000 a year on hear trying to get heard.Taxi would never do a 2 out of 3 policy. It has nothing to do with cost. They would have to go out of business if they forwarded songs they don't believe in 100%. They are putting their reputation on the line with every song, just like a regular A&R company. NomiThat's the response that I knew Taxi would give. I still think that it would be a time/money issue more than what you stated. I'm just saying that if a return/forward is based on one individuals opinion, then it is biased towards that particular screener's opinion and what they think a good song should sound like. Do I think that all screeners are able to pick hits? No. Do they have more credentials and experience than the average person? Yes. Are they more educated in their field than most? Yes. Their judgement is going to be better than most, but that does not mean they are always correct in their decision. There are many, many examples in music where an artist or songwriter was turned down repeatedly by A & R executives and then has gone on to tremendous success with those same songs that the industry said were "bad". Toby Keith is a prime example. Nobody wanted "Should have been a cowboy" or anything else from his 1st album. "How do you like me know" was the same thing. He had a handful of songs that nobody wanted or would push and got turned down by the people who were supposed to know what was good or not. Ideally, I would rather a group of A & R people discuss the good/bad of my songs rather than just one person. That's just me.

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Post by Casey H » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:44 am

Quote:I just listened to Heart Reaction and I think it's a good song and fits the listing well. It scares me that if a song like that does not get a forward, then what is the point of all of this. I know it would be very time consuming, but TAXI should have a 2 out of 3 policy. Each song gets 3 screeners if two give it a thumbs up for a listing, then it gets forwarded. TAXI's reaction would be time and money won't allow that kind of attention, but at $300 for a membership fee and $5 per listing (100 X $5 = 500), most people are looking to spend close to $1000 a year on hear trying to get heard. I say you should call TAXI and at least inquire about your songs. They seemed to be on the mark for 80's style music, especially for film or TV. I grew up on 80's rock and although it's not the Poison/Hairband sound, it's definitely the sound of many songs that were on big movies such as Can't Buy Me Love and such. Keep trying man. I'm no screener, but I give you thumbs up. I think as far as these tracks not being forwarded, toncart, you may me missing one point-- this listing specifically said there was a very high bar on this one and that they would be very picky. If this listing did not have such as high bar, then it might be different as I agree with you on the quality of the tracks.I do not defend TAXI all the time and I am not even a member right now. But the 2 out of 3 thing would obviously increase their cost and turn around time dramatically. It's just not practical.I agree that Chip should contact TAXI and see if he can find out more about why these tracks didn't make it. Sometimes, YES/NO listings are not even reviewed by TAXI screeners- they go directly to the listing party! Regards,CASEY

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Post by nomiyah » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:53 pm

Quote: That's the response that I knew Taxi would give. I still think that it would be a time/money issue more than what you stated. I'm just saying that if a return/forward is based on one individuals opinion, then it is biased towards that particular screener's opinion and what they think a good song should sound like. Actually, I misunderstood you before. I thought you meant that if you submitted 3 songs, they should forward 2. But I see now you mean that 3 screeners should listen to 1 song. Sorry about the mix up.You're right about the subjectivity, for example, I submitted a song for a listing asking for happy-sounding instrumentals and it was forwarded. A couple months later, I submitted the same song to another listing asking for happy-sounding instrumentals and it was returned. The first screener said it was perfect and really conveyed the mood required. The second screener said it wasn't happy because it was in a minor key.Nomi

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Post by edteja » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:40 am

I dunno. Seems like your chances for a forward from one screener is actually higher than from two out of three. It isn't like these folks don't talk to each other. It's true they can disagree, but I suspect they track fairly closely given any particular listing.When I used to screen book manuscripts for publishers, usually if one person didn't think a manuscript worked it was hard to find anyone else who did. At least this way if you hit the right person on the right day with the right tune, you click through. But that's just speculation on my part.
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Post by toncart » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:34 am

I'm sure that the majority of the "good" stuff gets through with just one screener, but thre is always a chance that on a particular day, the one screener that you may get might not be the best particular screener for that song and therefore you don't get a forward. If you entered your child in a baby contest would you want one person making the decision? How many times did Taylor Hicks get a thumbs down on American Idol this year? School boards and church elders are voted by a committee. I'd hate to get the screener that spilled his/her coffee on the way to work, or the screener that has diarrhea I'd be willing to pay extra for song submissions knowing that I could get a second opinion. My dog had a sore leg this year and we took her to the vet and he said that she had a torn ligament in her knee. $2,000 surgery. We got a second opinion and we are happy that we did. No surgery and no $2,000 bill. Sometimes people in their own profession are just wrong. I sure am. Sometimes.

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