Pro Tools and Logic, Tech Support

[japaneseprincess]

Taeko, what are you using as an interface for logic? And what is your work flow? Do you render your midi stuff to audio and then dump it all into pro tools? eo.

Ethan, i dont know what exactly "render" means (my English is still in development !), but believe it or not i just use apple built-in hardware for Logic.

i do MIDI work in Logic and export MIDI (not audio, as i dont wana use built-in interface as audio H/W) to PT, then bounce to audio, to treat them as audio in PT.

because VIs dont run well in audio/recording sessions, cos we need to switch the amount of processors depending on what we do, otherwise it crashes a lot. 2 separate PT sessions, one with VIs only (1 processor used), one with audio only (2 processors).

[jdhogg]

because VIs dont run well in audio/recording sessions, cos we need to switch the amount of processors depending on what we do, otherwise it crashes a lot. 2 separate PT sessions, one with VIs only (1 processor used), one with audio only (2 processors).

... this is exactly why protools is overhyped and in some cases totaly useless.

heres a big time saver for you.
render to audio = bounce to audio.
it is done by the cpu and not via a soundcard so you can bounce away in logic with no loss and save yourself the hassle of setting it up in a buggy protools.
You can then just mix audio in protools which is in fact the only thing it is good at.

Sorry if this sounds blunt but I am bored of people recommending their DAW with no working knowledge of the alternatives.

bye.

[eeoo]

Wow, so much Pro Tools bashing. I gotta say I've never had any "buggy" issues or any crashes in 7.4. Granted I'm not a big midi guy, but any modern daw has so much more than I will ever start to tap that I find it hard to complain about their capabilities, including PT. But I admit, if I were starting from scratch I'd be hard pressed to beat Logic. eo.

[mojobone]

Well capabilities aren't the rub, really; there's no one size fits all approach to building a DAW, the issue is workflow and value for your $. For the ways I like to work, Logic makes sense for me, and is a way better deal than native ProTools; HD is simply out of budget, and besides, I've seen PT users burned for their hardware choice more than once, already.

[watksco]

Wow, so much Pro Tools bashing. I gotta say I've never had any "buggy" issues or any crashes in 7.4. Granted I'm not a big midi guy, but any modern daw has so much more than I will ever start to tap that I find it hard to complain about their capabilities, including PT. But I admit, if I were starting from scratch I'd be hard pressed to beat Logic. eo.

I'm a PT user (on an 'older' PC), and love the work flow etc., but I must admit I am hard pressed to recommend it at present. It is VERY fussy about components, seems to chew up CPU resources above and beyond what I'm told DAW's such as reaper do and has some puzzling feature restrictions (i.e. ADC). 2010 will be a critical year for the future of PT I believe - AVID are going to need to re-think their business model quite significantly.

I am going to build a song in reaper to see how I (and it) go - as much as I am loath to switch - I'd rather be working on writing than learning a new DAW!

Re the OP - As far as tech-support is concerned for PT - the DUC is all the tech support I have ever needed. There are some very experienced regular contributors there. Most of the people who have persistant problems (tech wise) are people who have NOT spent the time reading before purchasing, but then that's probably the same with ALL applications - including MS Office!

Scott

[bigbluebarry]

Wow, so much Pro Tools bashing. I gotta say I've never had any "buggy" issues or any crashes in 7.4. Granted I'm not a big midi guy, but any modern daw has so much more than I will ever start to tap that I find it hard to complain about their capabilities, including PT. But I admit, if I were starting from scratch I'd be hard pressed to beat Logic. eo.

I'm a PT user (on an 'older' PC), and love the work flow etc., but I must admit I am hard pressed to recommend it at present. It is VERY fussy about components, seems to chew up CPU resources above and beyond what I'm told DAW's such as reaper do and has some puzzling feature restrictions (i.e. ADC). 2010 will be a critical year for the future of PT I believe - AVID are going to need to re-think their business model quite significantly.

I am going to build a song in reaper to see how I (and it) go - as much as I am loath to switch - I'd rather be working on writing than learning a new DAW!

Re the OP - As far as tech-support is concerned for PT - the DUC is all the tech support I have ever needed. There are some very experienced regular contributors there. Most of the people who have persistant problems (tech wise) are people who have NOT spent the time reading before purchasing, but then that's probably the same with ALL applications - including MS Office!

Scott

Hey Scott,

I know exactly how you feel about Pro Tools and Reaper. I love the work flow Pro Tools offers but it's just too inconsistent for me when it comes to composing. I don't think that Pro Tools is going away anytime soon though. They're a staple in the high end/post production world. But they're going to have to make some changes to accommodate the home project studio users.

In the meantime, I'm spending some time learning Reaper and so far I'm loving it. And here's another reason to consider it. One of the "major players" at the DUC, Shan, is spending some time on customizing Reaper to mimic Pro Tools in look, feel and functionality. He's not finished yet but it looks VERY promising. Here's a thread over on the Reaper forums about it:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=43608

- Big Blue

[watksco]

I know exactly how you feel about Pro Tools and Reaper. I love the work flow Pro Tools offers but it's just too inconsistent for me when it comes to composing. I don't think that Pro Tools is going away anytime soon though. They're a staple in the high end/post production world. But they're going to have to make some changes to accommodate the home project studio users.

In the meantime, I'm spending some time learning Reaper and so far I'm loving it. And here's another reason to consider it. One of the "major players" at the DUC, Shan, is spending some time on customizing Reaper to mimic Pro Tools in look, feel and functionality. He's not finished yet but it looks VERY promising. Here's a thread over on the Reaper forums about it:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=43608

- Big Blue

Thanks for the link Big Blue! I'm a big fan of Shane and his work. Once AVID are done changing the logo on all their letterheads, maybe they'll get around to what it is they claim to do.

Cheer,

Scott

[guscave]

I've also been messing with Reaper. It's a pretty nice DAW and their support has been very decent as well. I need to upgrade my system (still using old mac mini G4) and I was thinking once I did I would probably upgrade to PT 8, but Reaper has me thinking twice about that plan.

[t4mh]

Ya know, if you've ever used an AVID video machine, regardless which model, you'd know that they are just KILLER. Maybe World Class video editing and production. Now if they integrate audio tools along the lines of ProTools... The world might change for a lot of us. Problem with take-overs is that the poor employees don't really know what is going to happen and if they'll have a job or not. Productivity generally goes in the toliet for a while until it all settles out. You can bet they have a business model in mind beyond a letterhead or they wouldn't have done the deal.

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[mojobone]

+1; I'd jes' like to see 'em get rid of the bespoke hardware.