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Re: Help me define success

Post by DesireInspires » Sun May 06, 2012 4:10 pm

michael11 wrote:
Is this a demand,request,suggestion or an effort to prolong a long spent thread?
I demand YOU to define success. You chose to respond to this thread, so I expect you to come up with something. I do not care if the definition is subjective or specific. I just want something.

You are an intelligent person and a great composer. You have the knowledge and experience to make a statement that can help people. Please do not beat around the bush or chicken out. Just give us something to go off of. Do not be another person that is afraid to speak his mind. Say how you feel and we will respect you for it.

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Re: Help me define success

Post by davewalton » Sun May 06, 2012 4:19 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
michael11 wrote:
Is this a demand,request,suggestion or an effort to prolong a long spent thread?
I demand YOU to define success. You chose to respond to this thread, so I expect you to come up with something.
Mick, if you bite on this I'll personally paddle across the Atlantic and then paddle you with the paddle that I paddled across the pond with. ;)

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Re: Help me define success

Post by DesireInspires » Sun May 06, 2012 5:20 pm

davewalton wrote: Mick, if you bite on this I'll personally paddle across the Atlantic and then paddle you with the paddle that I paddled across the pond with. ;)

Let the man speak for himself.

Nobody asked you any advice because you are not going to share anything anyway. You are successful but you do not care about talking about your success. Just keep flaunting your success in our faces. We already know you have bigger and better things to do than help us small fries. Thanks for nothing.

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Re: Help me define success

Post by mazz » Sun May 06, 2012 5:55 pm

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davewalton wrote: Mick, if you bite on this I'll personally paddle across the Atlantic and then paddle you with the paddle that I paddled across the pond with. ;)

Let the man speak for himself.

Nobody asked you any advice because you are not going to share anything anyway. You are successful but you do not care about talking about your success. Just keep flaunting your success in our faces. We already know you have bigger and better things to do than help us small fries. Thanks for nothing.

Honestly, I don't think that calling people out is a strategy that will get you many positive responses. I know what you are going for here, but in my humble opinion, your tone is a bit confrontational, and this forum has a reputation for being a bit more conflict averse than many other forums you may have experience with (or not).

From your statement above, I'm not sure how much you really know the people you are making those statements about.

I think we've been over this ground before, but here goes again: I define success as being able to make a good living from the music that I have published and continue to publish.

Once I achieve that, I'm sure my definition will have evolved and changed to accommodate having achieved my initial goal. From what I've experienced in my life so far, it seems as though my definition of success is under constant refinement. Evolution is a natural state for humans, I believe, and we continue to evolve until we stop, at which point we are dead.

I think the tone you have adopted here on the forum is keeping folks from interacting much with you. I've been on this forum for years and I've seen it evolve into a very mutually supportive place. Every once in a while, someone comes on here and tries, sometimes inadvertently, to stir things up, usually not in a supportive way. I think people would trust you more if they knew who you were.

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Re: Help me define success

Post by DesireInspires » Sun May 06, 2012 6:00 pm

mazz wrote:
Honestly, I don't think that calling people out is a strategy that will get you many positive responses. I know what you are going for here, but in my humble opinion, your tone is a bit confrontational, and this forum has a reputation for being a bit more conflict averse than many other forums you may have experience with (or not).

You are correct. Thank you for your answer to the question.

I just wish there were more people here like you that could answer a question directly. Too many people resort to beating around the bush, talking in riddles, or just totally avoiding the question. If people do not have the answers or do not want to give the answers, why tease those people seeking help?

You have been very helpful to me. I thank you for that. Hopefully others will follow your example and stop being so childish and uninformed.

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Re: Help me define success

Post by fusilierb » Sun May 06, 2012 6:28 pm

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Re: Help me define success

Post by DesireInspires » Sun May 06, 2012 6:33 pm

fusilierb wrote:Riddle me this batboy, how is anyone's "definition" of success helpful at all? What could you possibly learn from what I consider to be success?

You've said that successful people are hiding things from you. What is it exactly that you want to know? I thought we already established that there was no secret. So what do you feel like you are not getting here?

You want the names and addresses of the libraries I work with? Why? They don't take unsolicited material, what good is that going to do you? I just don't get you are what you are really looking for here.

Don't you have a World of Warcraft mission to get back to or something?

No need to be a jerk. If you don't have anything to share, why resort to name calling and ridicule? Does it make you feel better to belittle someone seeking answers and advice?

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Re: Help me define success

Post by fusilierb » Sun May 06, 2012 6:39 pm

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Re: Help me define success

Post by Casey H » Sun May 06, 2012 6:57 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
davewalton wrote: Mick, if you bite on this I'll personally paddle across the Atlantic and then paddle you with the paddle that I paddled across the pond with. ;)

Let the man speak for himself.

Nobody asked you any advice because you are not going to share anything anyway. You are successful but you do not care about talking about your success. Just keep flaunting your success in our faces. We already know you have bigger and better things to do than help us small fries. Thanks for nothing.
You know so little about the people here and how they've interacted on this forum. Dave was here helping his fellow composers while you were still in troll diapers dreaming about your first space helmut.

Define success? Not sure what it is but I know what it's not... It's not being an annoying troll on a forum, alienating all the very people who might be able to help you.

What a shame that such a great thread-- one that was a shining example of composers freely helping other composers has degenerated this way. I apologize for my contribution to that and I'll try not to post here again.

Casey

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Re: Help me define success

Post by mazz » Sun May 06, 2012 6:59 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
mazz wrote:
Honestly, I don't think that calling people out is a strategy that will get you many positive responses. I know what you are going for here, but in my humble opinion, your tone is a bit confrontational, and this forum has a reputation for being a bit more conflict averse than many other forums you may have experience with (or not).

You are correct. Thank you for your answer to the question.

I just wish there were more people here like you that could answer a question directly. Too many people resort to beating around the bush, talking in riddles, or just totally avoiding the question. If people do not have the answers or do not want to give the answers, why tease those people seeking help?

You have been very helpful to me. I thank you for that. Hopefully others will follow your example and stop being so childish and uninformed.

Well I honestly think that people are reacting to the fact that you are hiding behind an avatar while sometimes making provocative statements. It's kind of like showing up to a party wearing a mask and getting in people's faces without them knowing who you are. I understand that the internet allows us to do that, but it's a bit socially off putting after a while. Lurking is one thing, but if you make statements that read like you have experience in the business without anyone being able to verify that it's not just BS or big talking, well then, how can you not expect a bit of blowback when you call people out?

I'm trying to be respectful but I really don't know who I'm talking to, which is a bit of a strange feeling. Of course, it's my choice to do so just as it's your choice to stay hidden. We both risk something when we do that.

Good luck,

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