D111207RS - Relationship songs...

[Casey H]

Here's hoping that I would EVER get a response from anyone at Taxi, but that has not EVER happened.

Are you saying that you never got a response to a forum post or that you never got a response when you contacted Taxi directly?

My own PERSONAL experience has been if I dropped an email to headscreener -AT- taxi.com, I always got a response. I may not have liked the outcome (e.g. they don't change a return to a foward JUST because you don't agree), but I always got a pleasant response. Of course, if your email is a nasty rant to begin with, it could turn people off and make them shy away from rushing to answer you.

Casey

[Casey H]

If anything your post will help agencies form better descriptions in the listings they write in the future.

That statement is so ludicrous, I have no idea how to even begin to respond to it.

Dont know what your talking about. If I was an ad agencie I'd be wanting as much feedback as I can get, mostly critical feedback so it can help me fine-tune my business and make it better.

same with music, all good criticism is vital for making craft of writing better.

The world is not taxi-listing-centric. These people don't wake up in the morning and say, "How can I make that Taxi listing I ran last week better?"

You have to understand that, in most cases, Taxi is far from the only source of music for the agency, library, label, or publisher. Taxi forwards compete with music from other known trusted sources. In some cases, as with the ad agencies, Taxi may be breaking new ground, proving to the agency that their members' music can compete with the best. These clients have TONS of music being sent their way. The nuances of how a few Taxi members interpreted a Taxi listing aren't even on their radar.

The rantings of a disgruntled musician whose music didn’t get selected will never have a positive impact on anyone. Not the musician, not Taxi, not the listing party, not other Taxi members. If the indie label representative read those rantings, they would write that person off as a person to ever work with, and possibly even have concerns about running future listings with Taxi.

Casey

[mazz]

If anything your post will help agencies form better descriptions in the listings they write in the future.

That statement is so ludicrous, I have no idea how to even begin to respond to it.

Dont know what your talking about. If I was an ad agencie I'd be wanting as much feedback as I can get, mostly critical feedback so it can help me fine-tune my business and make it better.

same with music, all good criticism is vital for making craft of writing better.

The thing is, ad agencies have their pick of music. There's way more of us than there are of them. If one writer is a pain in the ass, there are dozens more standing in line behind them chomping at the bit to get a gig and are quite possibly much more professional.

[Kelil]

I find that whole writing off people for their rant very interesting especially when there are so many musicians ( I.e Rolling stones, Bob Dylan and Sex pistols to name a few ) who would rant at their managers and recording companies to their faces and still not get written off by the label. I guess thats all down to the label ( major ones ) looking past their rants and just getting down to the business aspect of it.

[Kelil]

( for some reason the forum wont let me qoute and post)@mazz:Yes I see what you mean. Johnny Rottens Bass player was a pain in the bum as well as literally...well... the whole band, and they would be percieved as extremely unprofressional but it still never got them written off by the label. I find that interesting. For the record I'm not promoting such behaviour nor defending it. Just looking at how labels in the past and present always seem to look past these difficulties.

[crs7string]

I find that whole writing off people for their rant very interesting especially when there are so many musicians ( I.e Rolling stones, Bob Dylan and Sex pistols to name a few ) who would rant at their managers and recording companies to their faces and still not get written off by the label. I guess thats all down to the label ( major ones ) looking past their rants and just getting down to the business aspect of it.

Stephen,

Quite possibly,,when you become a Mick Jagger, The Sex Pistols or one of the other acts you have named is your other threads, you too can be a jack ass and get away with it.

In the meantime, quite possibly understanding that TAXI, the majority of members on the Forum, and many if not all of the end users to whom TAXI can provide a "favorable introduction", do not find the ranting and difficult to get along behavior very appealing as it relates to starting a business relationship.

Best of luck in 2012.

Chuck

[Kelil]

I find that whole writing off people for their rant very interesting especially when there are so many musicians ( I.e Rolling stones, Bob Dylan and Sex pistols to name a few ) who would rant at their managers and recording companies to their faces and still not get written off by the label. I guess thats all down to the label ( major ones ) looking past their rants and just getting down to the business aspect of it.

Stephen,

Quite possibly,,when you become a Mick Jagger, The Sex Pistols or one of the other acts you have named is your other threads, you too can be a jack ass and get away with it.

In the meantime, quite possibly understanding that TAXI, the majority of members on the Forum, and many if not all of the end users to whom TAXI can provide a "favorable introduction", do not find the ranting and difficult to get along behavior very appealing as it relates to starting a business relationship.

Best of luck in 2012.

Chuck

Thanks Chuck. But the Sex pistols and stones were already behaved like asses before they were signed. So I still find it all interesting that labels looked beyond this behaviour.

Again as I said I'm not promoting the insulting behaviour of any band like this or would want to. Just pointing it out and taking notice of it all.

Best of luck to you also in 2012 too.

[Casey H]

I find that whole writing off people for their rant very interesting especially when there are so many musicians ( I.e Rolling stones, Bob Dylan and Sex pistols to name a few ) who would rant at their managers and recording companies to their faces and still not get written off by the label. I guess thats all down to the label ( major ones ) looking past their rants and just getting down to the business aspect of it.

These artists you reference did their acting out AFTER they established themselves as very valuable entities with the labels (whether or not they were signed yet). Once they proved they were multi-million dollar money makers for everyone, they could get away with a lot.

When you prove you're worth millions to a label, feel free to act like a jerk then.

Casey

[mazz]

( for some reason the forum wont let me qoute and post)@mazz:Yes I see what you mean. Johnny Rottens Bass player was a pain in the bum as well as literally...well... the whole band, and they would be percieved as extremely unprofressional but it still never got them written off by the label. I find that interesting. For the record I'm not promoting such behaviour nor defending it. Just looking at how labels in the past and present always seem to look past these difficulties.

That might be true in the upper echelons of the rock business and it may have been a part of their image and helped them sell records. Maybe the label put up with them because they sold so many records. But as an unknown writer trying to sell music to ad agencies and publishers (who aren't record labels, btw), being a jerk may just get one known with those folks in a way that might actually be detrimental.

It's also worth mentioning that this is a relatively small business at the higher levels and they do talk to each other and know each other. I would imagine it wouldn't take too many of these folks talking at one of their conventions for word to get out about certain difficult people to work with. I always have to remind myself that this is a people oriented business and relationships are equally, if not more, important than the music. I see a lot of the same folks at industry conventions and events, it's not a faceless, nameless black hole that the music goes in to. It goes to people that want to love the music because they want to find the perfect music for their clients. They don't sit in dark rooms rubbing their hands together saying "what miserable musician's life can I destroy today?" But they also don't have time to suffer fools.

Just from my experience.

Mazz

[Kelil]

I find that whole writing off people for their rant very interesting especially when there are so many musicians ( I.e Rolling stones, Bob Dylan and Sex pistols to name a few ) who would rant at their managers and recording companies to their faces and still not get written off by the label. I guess thats all down to the label ( major ones ) looking past their rants and just getting down to the business aspect of it.

These artists you reference did their acting out AFTER they established themselves as very valuable entities with the labels. Once they proved they were multi-million dollar money makers for everyone, they could get away with a lot.

When you prove you're worth millions to a label, feel free to act like a jerk then.

Casey

Thats not the case at all. I've read their books and life stories years back not to mention BBC documentaries on them too. They were definitely not easy boys to work with thats for sure.

Anyway at least here on the taxi forum I always intend to look past the negative part of the rant. Possibly invite him to be more nice about it but also just look at the positives of the rant ( if any ) and leave it at that.

Also if its harmful for Taxi to have ad agencies come here and view these rants and thus risk the relationship between themselves and the ad agency by the behaviour of their members, then it's probably best taxi just not allow us to rant at all.