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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by simonsays » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:13 am

jonathansorensen wrote:
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jonathansorensen wrote:I like this lyric. It's quite visual and visceral.

In your 2nd addition: "I asked her once,
2 "How do you get that, cold white porcelain skin?"
3 she just smiled and said, "Hell ... it's easy"
4 " I never let the light come in!"

Those lines really resonate with the overall idea of this beautiful, angelic woman who's actually dangerous.

The second section isn't bad, just doesn't seem like it fits into the dark poetry of the rest of the lyric. This is a really interesting lyric. Sexy and dark at the same time.

The line you're working with "buttery/fluffy" is a really important moment to define the image of this woman. It doesn't seem like you've nailed it yet. I get the dangerous vision of her but the day image doesn't seem to click. Maybe it's too light?

Anyway, hope that helps. I'd love to hear the tune when you get it nailed down.

Best,
Jon

Hi Jon,

1st off, thank you for taking time to offer your thoughts here!
By second section ... are you referring to my second verse ... or the second part of my revised first verse, that I brainstormed the other day?
At the moment I'm pretty happy with 'fluffy' for her good day image description. I think it's a definite improvement word and concept wise over 'buttery'!
I'm not sure how you're using the word 'light' in "Maybe it's too light?". Did you mean too good? ( as in the opposite of dark/evil), or too light ... (as in light hearted?), or something else entirely?

Steve
Hi Steve, sorry it took me a while to get back. By light I meant maybe too sweet, maybe overshooting something good but still solid. The porcelain line is really brilliant so for me I just wanted the good version to be a description that is as powerful and fluffy didn't get it for me. However, you know how individual and personal responses are to certain words so, I know my response isn't necessarily common. But again, I think it's a really original lyric. Kudos.

Best,
Jon
Hi Jon,

Jon and Mike ... thanks for pushing me to do better. I really appreciate that! :) As you may, or may not, have noticed -- I edited the 'soft and buttery' part. ;) I think I held off doing that with the 'fluffy' part, because subsconciously I knew it wasn't a great fit. a good fit yes ... but still not just right. The only thing I'm vexed at now with, is the loss of the (soft - hot) rhyme. I tried substituting (soft) and then (softly) for the (so), but those both seemed too forced sounding to me ... and a mismatch syllable wise with the next line to boot! I also considered changing (hot) to (hued), but I feel I'd be losing too much of the 'heat' part that way. ;) Jon, Mike, (or anyone else) ... any thoughts on these changes and possible changes?

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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by mikeShort » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:51 am

Steve-
I came back to this after a two-week layoff, and I'm totally lost! I don't know where the lyric stands. Could you post the whole current version? Then I might be able to offer some comments.
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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by simonsays » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:04 pm

mikeShort wrote:Steve-
I came back to this after a two-week layoff, and I'm totally lost! I don't know where the lyric stands. Could you post the whole current version? Then I might be able to offer some comments.
Sorry Mike. I don't have a full revised version for this yet. I'll post it when I do though.
I'm also sorry it took so long for me to respond. I've been preoccupied lately with other stuff.

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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by simonsays » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:14 pm

Here's my latest lyrical and structural changes for Snow White Succubus.


Album: 2 Die 4
Song: Snow White Succubus
Copyright Steve Simon 2011


(Intro)

1 When I first met this beautiful ghost
2 her dark side didn't show
3 was it love?
4 or just lust?

(Pre-Chorus)

1 Little did I know ...

(Chorus)

1 She's a ... Snow White Succubus
2 An Angel by day, and a Demon by night
3 She's a ... Snow White Succubus
4 and when we're alone
5 I'm so far gone -- past wrong or right
6 a ... Snow White Succubus
7 If she's so hot ... why am I so cold?
8 a ... Snow White succubus
9 so ... this is how it feels, to be burned by snow!

(1st Verse)

1 In the daylight -- she seems so soft and cuddly
2 but in the night time -- she glows white hot and sultry
3 by day -- I see her sweet demure
4 by night -- I feel the heat of her allure


(Repeat Pre-Chorus)
(Repeat Chorus)


(2nd Verse)

1 I asked her once
2 "How do you get that, cold white porcelain skin?"
3 she just smiled and said, "Hell ... it's easy"
4 " I never let the light come in!"

(Repeat Pre-Chorus)
(Repeat Chorus)

(3rd Verse)

1 I think, the moment I took her hand
2 that's where I lost my will
3 suddenly we were sitting
4 and from there, Hell, it was all down hill!

(Bridge)

1 When we first met
2 I didn't know
3 was this love?
4 or just lust?
5 now I know it's both ...
6 and she's turning me to dust

(Repeat Chorus)

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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by mikeShort » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:25 am

Steve-
You had me until the very last line. To my ears, that sounds like it's there just to rhyme. Not egregious, but not up to the standards set by the rest of the song.

I think we've already discussed line 5 in the chorus. I would flip "wrong or right" to pick up the inside rhyme with "gone" and the consonance with "alone" from the previous line. Maybe the music draws the rhyme with "night" but just reading it, I don't get a strong enough connection to pass up on the inside and "local" word play. Totally up to you. I know you like the reversal to get people's attention, and I can't argue too much with that. Just something to think about.

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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by DonnaMarilyn » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:21 pm

Hi Steve,

Hope you don't mind me chiming in. ;) I'm not a newbie, but haven't been to the forum for some time.

You've done solid work on the revision. Only three things jump out at me.

1. Mention of her as a 'ghost' in line 1. To me, it's not quite clear whether you're referring to an actual ghost/succubus or to a real woman. If she's a ghost, the singer - presumably - wouldn't see her by day. If she's a living woman, would he be likely to refer to her as a ghost?

2. The word 'demure' in line 3, V1. Because 'demure' is an adjective, it sounds odd being used as a noun here.

3. This is really nit-picky, I know, but I'd like to hear the word 'only' in line 4 of the intro rather than 'just'. I realise you might be going for the internal rhyme, but 'only' has more substance, plus I think it sings better.

In any case, the above are simply random thoughts. Keep or sweep. :)

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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by simonsays » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:19 am

DonnaMarilyn wrote:Hi Steve,

Hope you don't mind me chiming in. ;) I'm not a newbie, but haven't been to the forum for some time.

(No problem ... the more the merrier IMO.) :)

You've done solid work on the revision. Only three things jump out at me.

(Thanks)

1. Mention of her as a 'ghost' in line 1. To me, it's not quite clear whether you're referring to an actual ghost/succubus or to a real woman. If she's a ghost, the singer - presumably - wouldn't see her by day. If she's a living woman, would he be likely to refer to her as a ghost?

(I'm not too concerned if this remains somewhat ambiguous, but I was referring to a Succubus. Succubi, I believe, (mythology wise :)) are able to take corporeal form for a limited time. The same applies to ghosts/spirits. The movie "Ghost Story" starring Fred Astaire has a ghost in it that did just that. She seduced a son of one of her killers, and seemed quite solid/real in the daylight.)


2. The word 'demure' in line 3, V1. Because 'demure' is an adjective, it sounds odd being used as a noun here.

(SHHH ... people weren't supposed to notice that. ;) Actually, I used it that way for a couple reasons. First and foremost because it fits. 'Demureness', while technically correct, wouldn't have worked. :( That, and I love using words in creative ways. Hopefully it's not too strange for people to swallow. )

3. This is really nit-picky, I know, but I'd like to hear the word 'only' in line 4 of the intro rather than 'just'. I realise you might be going for the internal rhyme, but 'only' has more substance, plus I think it sings better.

(you guessed it. I chose 'just' just for it's assonance. (the infernal rhyme, as you said) (Uh ... 'internal' ... :D) (I do love them twists!)

In any case, the above are simply random thoughts. Keep or sweep. :)

(Donna, I appreciate all thoughts/feedback. Even a simple I (liked/ or did not like) this or that because ... )
Thanks for taking time to respond to this.


Donna
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Re: Snow White Succubus (genre: hard rock)

Post by simonsays » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:03 pm

mikeShort wrote:Steve-
You had me until the very last line. To my ears, that sounds like it's there just to rhyme. Not egregious, but not up to the standards set by the rest of the song.

I think we've already discussed line 5 in the chorus. I would flip "wrong or right" to pick up the inside rhyme with "gone" and the consonance with "alone" from the previous line. Maybe the music draws the rhyme with "night" but just reading it, I don't get a strong enough connection to pass up on the inside and "local" word play. Totally up to you. I know you like the reversal to get people's attention, and I can't argue too much with that. Just something to think about.

Mike
Mike,
Sorry It took so long to reply to this. I replied to another poster (Donna), but then totally forgot to go back and respond to your post. :(
I think I'm pretty satisfied with what I have so far. However, that does not mean I don't want posters to point out parts they have problems with. I appreciate your view point and value your input. Please check out my country song, "My Own Sweet Home", if you have some free time. That , and "Be-Bi-Bo-Bum". Are there any of your songs in particular that you would like some more feedback on?
Steve

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