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Really..?

Post by Kevm » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:33 pm

Status: Forward Return

Reasons not Forwarded:
Recording [x]

This song has some really nice potential! I think the quality of the recording is just a little rough and the song doesn't sound mixed, and polished. Try polishing the song so it's a little more glossy and the volume levels are better balanced. Nice job!

The song is http://soundcloud.com/fampf/forever-summer

I just.. I don't even know what to say. Really, I can't stand this company I'm sorry :lol:

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Re: Really..?

Post by hummingbird » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:02 pm

Could you post the listing, please?
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Post by Kevm » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:11 pm

Yes sorry, I just had to vent it's not like I expect my stuff to ever get through anyway but the wording on this return.. Frustrating :lol:

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DANCE POP SONGS in the contemporary style of "That Power" by Will.i.am, "Work B**ch" by Britney Spears, "Animals" by Martin Garrix, etc., are needed by a Music Supervisor for a popular TV comedy on a Major Network. She needs songs that make you get up and shake what your mama gave ya! Songs must have a believable vocal performance that's current souding and well performed. Your lyric themes can vary, but must be PG-rated and universal in nature. Male and female vocals are both okay. Mid-to-Up Tempo songs only, please. Vocal and instrumental presentation must be really strong for this pitch. The estimated license fee is $500 - $1000. This is Direct-to-Supervisor, so you'll KEEP 100% of the writer's share and publishing. You must own or control 100% of both the master and composition rights to submit for this pitch. Broadcast quality is needed (great sounding home recordings are fine). Please submit one to three songs online or per CD, include lyrics. All submissions will be screened on a Yes/No basis - No full critiques. Submissions must be received no later than Tuesday, November 19, 2013. TAXI #Y131119DP

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Re: Really..?

Post by hummingbird » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:46 am

Hi. Before you posted the listing I listened to your track and felt that there were some awesome well-recorded or created sounds and strong vocals but there was something in the mix I could not put my finger on... and it got me curious, because it is a good track.

I spend a lot of time listening to the 3 a la's mentioned, and then A & B - ing between your track and Marin Garrix "Animals" as I really wanted to try to 'get' what the screener said. And I agree, there is a subtle 'polish' that is missing in the mix. I'd encourage you to do what I did... if you want :) You don't have to, you can be satisfied you have a good track... or you can try to figure out what the screener meant and add that knowledge to your considerable talent... and/or add some 'gloss' to a second version of the track -- up to you of course.

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Re: Really..?

Post by Kevm » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:23 am

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time

I'm not sure words like gloss are useful, nor is it a desired quality. I don't know if he just likes Ozone, but I don't agree and it's not like the listing said mixes like the referenced tracks, that's really getting into absurd territory in my opinion, but also to mention levels makes me laugh a little.. Like that particular track is fairly compressed, it even had the stems run through an SMC2B.. It really is nonsense. I wouldn't want a sheen or a gloss on this track or any of my tracks, they aren't meant to be bright.

Not to mention I've never had a return because of the recording quality, this particular track has never received a return for the recording quality, the listing was not any more stringent on such parameters than any others as far as I can tell.. I found it to be a poor screening

I think I'm mostly just miffed that it seems like there always has to be SOMETHING for a screener to find wrong with your work.. I've never had anything forwarded but the song always manages to 'have potential' or something..

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Post by AlpacaRoom » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:45 am

Kevm wrote:I wouldn't want a sheen or a gloss on this track or any of my tracks, they aren't meant to be bright.
I think this is pretty much the crux. They're asking for tracks that are in the style of and competitive with the reference tracks, which are huge and bright and glossy. You don't want to produce tracks that way. You might be pitching to the wrong listings.

This isn't about screeners trying to find "something wrong" with your submission. It's them trying to pass only the most relevant stuff along to the listing party. If they're asking for big-room house-influenced pop hits, and your production isn't in that style, the listing party probably won't want to hear it.

Could this track be competitive with the reference tracks for this type of listing? Probably. But you'd have to make it bigger, brighter, and give it a new vocal treatment. If that's absolutely off the table for you, then this probably isn't the right listing to pitch this track to.

I'm not trying to be negative or combative, and really I hope it doesn't come across that way. Returns can be frustrating, but if you're looking for syncs, it probably helps to try to learn something from them. Your production is good, but it doesn't come from the same place and doesn't seem to have the same goals as the reference tracks.

Anyway, that's just, like, my opinion, man. (And everybody's got one.)


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Post by funsongs » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:44 am

2 cents worth... (same thing applied when I was designing big custom houses);
1) Happy clients make for the best referrals (i.e. repeat and future business of similar kind).
2) It's my job to help them realize THEIR dream (not my own, and not a monument to myself).

the change...
Songs that come out of me are like my kids, and I love them, regardless of what anyone thinks. (I only have one, easier ;) ).
But...if I'm to do it for business-sake, I've got to be willing to give the client WHATEVER HE WANT$$$$$. :)

Taxi members don't HAVE to make the screeners thrilled...
but, as the agent for THE CLIENT...it sure helps...them, and you...if you do.
And: since it's in their best interest to help you...make the client happy...?

It's your choice to make.
And: you can still keep the version you like for yourself; and create a second one that better satisfies the client.
Look at as a "win-win" situation. Or, not. :? What have you got to lose?

Hope that helps.
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Re: Really..?

Post by Kevm » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:22 pm

AlpacaRoom wrote:
Kevm wrote:I wouldn't want a sheen or a gloss on this track or any of my tracks, they aren't meant to be bright.
I think this is pretty much the crux. They're asking for tracks that are in the style of and competitive with the reference tracks, which are huge and bright and glossy. You don't want to produce tracks that way. You might be pitching to the wrong listings.

This isn't about screeners trying to find "something wrong" with your submission. It's them trying to pass only the most relevant stuff along to the listing party. If they're asking for big-room house-influenced pop hits, and your production isn't in that style, the listing party probably won't want to hear it.

Could this track be competitive with the reference tracks for this type of listing? Probably. But you'd have to make it bigger, brighter, and give it a new vocal treatment. If that's absolutely off the table for you, then this probably isn't the right listing to pitch this track to.

I'm not trying to be negative or combative, and really I hope it doesn't come across that way. Returns can be frustrating, but if you're looking for syncs, it probably helps to try to learn something from them. Your production is good, but it doesn't come from the same place and doesn't seem to have the same goals as the reference tracks.

Anyway, that's just, like, my opinion, man. (And everybody's got one.)


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That's fine, I simply don't agree that's sort of why I vented in the first place. The idea that the track could be competitive if I shart it up running it through Ozone is.. again, hard to process for me. My production, the track, etc. is well in the ballpark of the referenced tracks, current Dance Pop, etc..

Of course you guys have your Taxi goggles on so I'm coming from a completely different perspective, but echoing his sentiments only makes me facepalm harder. The mix isn't "glossy" enough isn't grounds for a return, it's just drivel.. Oh well.

I probably shouldn't have posted to begin with it was a bad idea I don't know that there's much to come of a discussion on this particular topic

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Re: Really..?

Post by eeoo » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:59 pm

It seems like they were just trying to help, if you didn't want responses you're probably right, you shouldn't have posted...

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Re: Really..?

Post by hummingbird » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 pm

Kevm wrote:
AlpacaRoom wrote:
Kevm wrote:I wouldn't want a sheen or a gloss on this track or any of my tracks, they aren't meant to be bright.
I think this is pretty much the crux. They're asking for tracks that are in the style of and competitive with the reference tracks, which are huge and bright and glossy. You don't want to produce tracks that way. You might be pitching to the wrong listings.

This isn't about screeners trying to find "something wrong" with your submission. It's them trying to pass only the most relevant stuff along to the listing party. If they're asking for big-room house-influenced pop hits, and your production isn't in that style, the listing party probably won't want to hear it.

Could this track be competitive with the reference tracks for this type of listing? Probably. But you'd have to make it bigger, brighter, and give it a new vocal treatment. If that's absolutely off the table for you, then this probably isn't the right listing to pitch this track to.

I'm not trying to be negative or combative, and really I hope it doesn't come across that way. Returns can be frustrating, but if you're looking for syncs, it probably helps to try to learn something from them. Your production is good, but it doesn't come from the same place and doesn't seem to have the same goals as the reference tracks.

Anyway, that's just, like, my opinion, man. (And everybody's got one.)


-Nick
That's fine, I simply don't agree that's sort of why I vented in the first place. The idea that the track could be competitive if I shart it up running it through Ozone is.. again, hard to process for me. My production, the track, etc. is well in the ballpark of the referenced tracks, current Dance Pop, etc..

Of course you guys have your Taxi goggles on so I'm coming from a completely different perspective, but echoing his sentiments only makes me facepalm harder. The mix isn't "glossy" enough isn't grounds for a return, it's just drivel.. Oh well.

I probably shouldn't have posted to begin with it was a bad idea I don't know that there's much to come of a discussion on this particular topic
I don't "have my Taxi goggles on". I questioned myself spending more than 1/2 hour listening to a la's and your song over and over to see if I could help you, as I suspected you might not be willing to listen if I decided the screener had a point. Which I did, after mentioning how obviously talented you are and how good the song is. I notice you don't deny the a la's have a "gloss". You don't want to change your production, that's your choice, but don't shoot the messengers when they point out the difference between what is wanted and what was submitted :)

'nuff said anyways, let's go have some cheer and forget how frustrating this industry can be for a couple minutes

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