Going from Studio One to Logic and not liking it so far

[TimWalter]

I stumbled onto Presonus Studio One when I got into this game about maybe 3 years ago. I am going to a month long seminar next feb and they only use Protools and/or Logic, and there will be daily homework, so at the advice of the admittance director, I got Logic 10 Pro on my computer this week. Tried doing a track yesterday and so very frustrated.It just seems so much less intuitive than Studio One... or maybe thats because Ive been using Studio One for 3 years? lol. arghh oh well. This is just a rant, I guess. Sigh. Back to work trying to learn Logic Pro.

(NOTE: It definitely has the Apple imprimatur and thought process, and sometimes the "apple way" infuriates me in other applications .. they dont allow you to do as many options as maybe competing systems... for example I went from iphone to droid because apple wouldnt recognize my non-apple app voice recordings on my iphone and I could not download to my imac them by syncing... now my imac doesnt recognize my droid, so I am back to square one... lol these corporate wars between google, microsoft and apple. arghhh.. but I digress
Tim

[Len911]

What about something like this??

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/26317/syncmate-expert

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Works Perfectly!! Easy to use and really useful to interact phone with android with Mac. I have been working with 10.6.8 OS X version and now I have changed to Yosemite and works correctly.

[mikeymike2000]

Hmmm I can understand wanting to learn the program for this seminar if that is ALL they are going to teach AND give homework... but.... (a MONTH LONG?) Wow!!

But what are you going to learn at the seminar? By that I mean, will it be worth changing the way you work, errr the program you use. If you like Studio One then keep using it. It makes no difference what program you use (unless you are going to be scoring major motion pictures on a regular basis). If it sounds good it is good and nobody cares what program it came from.

Is this specifically to learn the software or is there some other knowledge that shall be bestowed upon you?

Even if it is specifically to learn the software, will it change anything in your production?

These could be rhetorical questions but I felt like asking them.

[jonnybutter]

Hi Tim,

Logic is definitely not intuitive like some others, but it's not really apple's fault in this case - Logic was written by E Magic, and has always been the way it is (engineer-ish, IMHO). Apple has improved it a LOT, but they haven't - alas - really re-written it from the ground up. (The more Apple-like DAW was Digital Performer, I think, but probably no reason to learn that one now). I would take some training on Logic. It's not that hard once someone shows you, but it's not so easy to just figure out. There is an 'up and running' course on Lynda.com that I think is excellent. It will get you going fast. MacProVideo has really good Logic training too.

[jonnybutter]

I feel like it's bad form for me to complain about Logic too much. It has problems, it has bugs, it has vapor elements, it exhibits distracting or goofy behaviour at exactly the wrong times, but...once you get the hang of it, it is an incredible app, with tons of power. And just the included soundware is a bargain at $200, not to mention the plugins and app itself. Do yourself a favor and take a little course on it. The manual is not the best, and is not good for training at any rate. You can learn the basics in an afternoon or so if you take some kind of training. Many things are not obvious.

[TimWalter]

Jonny
Thanks very much for your perspective and comments. Just confirming my thoughts that it really isnt that intuititve is helpful to confirm Im not crazy (well I still might be, but that's another subject.. lol). I will def take some course etc as you suggested.

Len, thanks for your suggestion on the app, I will look into it.

All the best.
Tim

[andygabrys]

.......It just seems so much less intuitive than Studio One... or maybe thats because Ive been using Studio One for 3 years? lol. arghh oh well........

well if you are learning saxophone from square one I am sure you can eventually make Logic make noises too. Conversely if you had chosen to use Pro Tools for this course, then you would be finding somethings really handy, and some things (like transposing midi notes up an octave with no short cut key available) to be several steps to do the same thing that takes a mere heartbeat in more MIDI friendly DAWs.

"intuitive" is not really "intuitive" to me, as after you have learned several DAW's you will see that each has its strong points and its quirky bits. There isn't a perfect one out there, but it makes good fodder for forum arguments!

agree with Jonny - looking over somebodies shoulder whether virtually or in person can reveal a lot of new ways of working. the other night I was at a band practice for a project that is running sequences in Logic behind the live performances. Something needed adjusting and I stepped in and made the change using some key commands that are familiar to me. My band mate (who also uses Logic) said something about "you did it so fast and you are using all those crazy key commands" - and I am thinking "how do you do it otherwise?" but that's just what's familiar to me.

good luck!

[TimWalter]

Hmmm I can understand wanting to learn the program for this seminar if that is ALL they are going to teach AND give homework... but.... (a MONTH LONG?) Wow!!

But what are you going to learn at the seminar? By that I mean, will it be worth changing the way you work, errr the program you use. If you like Studio One then keep using it. It makes no difference what program you use (unless you are going to be scoring major motion pictures on a regular basis). If it sounds good it is good and nobody cares what program it came from.

Is this specifically to learn the software or is there some other knowledge that shall be bestowed upon you?

Even if it is specifically to learn the software, will it change anything in your production?

These could be rhetorical questions but I felt like asking them.

Hi Mikey
Sorry for my delayed response.
Your post has me doubting myself just a bit, whether I should committed to this class. Iits at WestLake Studios in West Hollywood, at a brand new school the owners of Westlake have set up called Cre8te, or something like that. I learned about it at the Rally, and will be in first full time class (at 40% discount from what they say will be the regular price going forward). They are going to cover all kinds of things related to recording, mixing, arranging, producing, etc to make songs more competitive in today's environment. Just touring the studio was incredibly impressive... Tina (a fellow Taxi member who went toured the facility with me and others on Monday after the rally) said it was like going to a super high end spa, the decor and the feel, let alone the recording rooms and equipment. Michael Jackson Thriller memorbilia was everywhere (I guess he recorded the entire album there), and they have continued to record big names up to the present day (The Weeknd recorded all or most of his recent smash album there, Adele recorded at least part of her new record setting album there). I guess, my thought process is 1) my forward rate is not very good, compared to my peers, and I need to do something to bring up my game (there will be I think at least 4 other Taxi members in the inaugural class as well) 2) I have no job commitments nor real family commitments to keep me from relocating to LA for a month (except my aging dad who I see every week, hopefully he'll be al right without me for a month... he still lives by himself without any problems) and well, it really wont be a financial strain to do it (im fortunate in that regard. ). So what the heck. I already committed. Already found an apartment 3 blocks from the Studio in West Hollywood with (of all things!) a parking garage (im driving from South Dakota, and plan on bringing the guts of my studio with me (imac, studio, some outboard guitar, enough instruments to keep writing and recording). So Im all in so far. I hope when it is done I'll be glad I did it... Hope that answers your questions. Tim

[TimWalter]

Andy... hmmmmmm.. now you have me thinking.. maybe I should choose Protools instead of Logic to spend my time learning.... Hmmmmmmmm..I'll consider it more thoroughly.

EDIT: I just reread your post more thoroughly... I guess you're saying there are are short cuts and pros and cons even between logic and pro tools...... I'll probably say with logic and try to learn it the best I can.

Tim

[andygabrys]

Andy... hmmmmmm.. now you have me thinking.. maybe I should choose Protools instead of Studio one to spend my time learning.... Hmmmmmmmm..I'll consider it more thoroughly.

Tim

if price is no object Tim - and if it were me - I would consider this course a kick in the pants to learn Pro Tools, Logic, and keep on with Studio One as well.

You eventually want to run your own studio and you are building one. Part of attracting and retaining clientele is making it easy for people to come in an record or mix projects that they already have from other sources, which might be on any DAW or they might be raw WAV or AIF files.

something to consider. Its not really about learning the DAW top to bottom, but learning how to do the most common operations in each one.