Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

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Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by Paulie » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:54 pm

What is the difference between an instrumental cue versus an instrumental song? A dispatch listing went out today asking:

"They’re on the hunt for Full-Length Instrumentals (not cues!)"

Followed up by

"All submissions should be at least 2 minutes long, give or take."

To me a song is 3:00-3:30 and has a traditional song form like VCVCBCC. But if they want 2:00, how does one edit the form to fit the time limit?
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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by funsongs » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:14 pm

Well - just today I was working on one... have not done this much (both in development)
the 3:00 song - like you state, has a particular structure;
EDIT: TRACK REMOVED FOR REPAIRS - sorry.
the 2:00 instrumental song/cue -
https://soundcloud.com/funsongs-1/glidi ... op/s-6bqQb
as I understand it: has one main melodic theme, with variations/added things, with edit points - for dynamics...
minus lead instruments that can get in the way of use under dialogue (that's my Peanut Gallery answer).

You'll notice I changed the title, hoping to convey "the mood" of the cue... for when a listing's verbiage would be asking for something like this.

Hope that helps. Actually, it would be of help to me, too - in this case - since my instrumental song/cue is gleaned from the song.
Cheers.
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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by Len911 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:54 pm

I'm not knowledgeable on cues, but my guess is that for a cue it's only necessary to have 1 copy of each section versus a song which often times has repeating sections.

You could try a different song form, AAA, AABA, ABC?? :lol:
You could shorten the number of bars to a section, or speed up the tempo.

Wasn't there a time when most songs were about 2 minutes??

If you have a song with a tempo of 100 bpm, 2 minutes would be 200 beats @ 4 beats per bar = 50 measures
A typical AABA song has 8 measures x 4 sections = 32 bars. (70bpm=35 bars)

A VCVCBCC= 8bars x 7 sections = 56 bars total 56x4=224 beats @ 100bpm= ~2min 20 sec I don't have my calculator,lol
Maybe drop the final chorus??
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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by annayarbrough » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:20 am

You know, I've been wondering this recently.... there was an electronic listing that went out looking for instrumentals, but the references they gave were actually structured like cues (same couple of chords throughout, no real shift theme-wise). I've also submitted cues/instrumentals interchangeably and been forwarded.... maybe that distinction is becoming less clear :?

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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by waveheavy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:37 am

From what I've studied in the books Michael has reviewed...

Instrumental Cue - usually written to fit under dialogue; limited structure, basically ABA and that's it, gets to the mood quickly without a long intro. Edit points, dynamic build. Sticks to one mood.

Instrumental Song - especially a melodic theme with more of a common musical form with more variation (intro-A-B-A-B-C..., etc.).

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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by cassmcentee » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:49 am

I just spent a day recording a piece for this
Problem, I didn't catch the cue vs instrumental part (I seem to do this all the time re: Read The Entire Listing)
I only listened to the first ALA and went to work
Mine is AAAAA...
The first ALA was similar, seemed simple and in a Cue structure (didn't listen all the way through 'cause I couldn't stand it)
Will have to save mine for a Cue request
Thanks for pointing this out Paulie!

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Re: Instrumental Song vs Cue format?

Post by Casey H » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Paulie wrote:What is the difference between an instrumental cue versus an instrumental song? A dispatch listing went out today asking:

"They’re on the hunt for Full-Length Instrumentals (not cues!)"

Followed up by

"All submissions should be at least 2 minutes long, give or take."

To me a song is 3:00-3:30 and has a traditional song form like VCVCBCC. But if they want 2:00, how does one edit the form to fit the time limit?
Well they said AT LEAST 2 minutes not that it should be around 2 minutes. So my GUESS would be to go with song format such as VCVCBC. You can probably do that in around 3 minutes, maybe a little less. To be sure, you might want to contact Taxi for clarification. Good luck! :D

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