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Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by roguenoisemachine » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 am

Hi folks,

I hope you all can help me out. If I pitch an edited (for time and content) and re-mixed instrumental version of a track and it gets signed (exclusively), can I still pitch the vocal version to other libraries/agents/publishers? Also, would you rename that instrumental edit something else so that it becomes an independent track, or would you call it Song (Instrumental Edit) or Song (Instrumental Cutdown)?

I had no idea what keywords to use to search the forum topics, so I hope you will forgive me if this has been answered before.

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by jaywilliams » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:24 pm

roguenoisemachine wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 am

I hope you all can help me out. If I pitch an edited (for time and content) and re-mixed instrumental version of a track and it gets signed (exclusively), can I still pitch the vocal version to other libraries/agents/publishers? Also, would you rename that instrumental edit something else so that it becomes an independent track, or would you call it Song (Instrumental Edit) or Song (Instrumental Cutdown)?
Hi Anelda -

In this scenario I would consider the vocal mix to be an alternate mix of the instrumental, and therefore off the table for Exclusive licensing.

I'm no expert on this would love for someone else to chime in!

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by superkons » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:14 am

I have submitted multiple versions of the same instrumental, and normally treat them as an individual entity, in terms of exclusivity. Also, in some cases, the original and all the different versions were forwarded, so that definitely makes them to be regarded as a single entity. Well, in my mind, at least!

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by CTWF » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:26 am

Without any specific experience, but with a common sense understanding of copyright law, I would agree with Jay that you cannot treat vocal and instrumental versions of the songs independently. Otherwise we would all be rich by ripping off "Yellow Submarine" or "Pokerface" as an instrumental version, because Macca or Lady Gaga (or their publishers) would not be able to sue us. But maybe I am overlooking something here?

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by roguenoisemachine » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:22 am

Thanks Jay, Marco and Tom!

You have pretty much confirmed my thoughts on this. Grateful for your input! :)

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by VanderBoegh » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:18 pm

Hey Anelda, if you eventually sign the vocal version of the song, the company will always ask for an instrumental version as well. And if you've already signed that instrumental version to another library, you're going to have some tough explaining to do!!

There's pretty much zero chance any reputable library will sign a vocal song knowing they would not be able to get the instrumental version too.

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by roguenoisemachine » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:51 am

Yup, makes so much sense. :lol: Thanks Matt!
VanderBoegh wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:18 pm
Hey Anelda, if you eventually sign the vocal version of the song, the company will always ask for an instrumental version as well. And if you've already signed that instrumental version to another library, you're going to have some tough explaining to do!!

There's pretty much zero chance any reputable library will sign a vocal song knowing they would not be able to get the instrumental version too.

~~Matt

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by DannyWeber » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:28 pm

Hi Anelda,
Also remember.. making a few tweaks here and there could make it a completely different track but like everyone else.. it's better to be safe than sorry!
The word "Lawsuit", is verboden when it comes to Exclusive Libraries.

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by roguenoisemachine » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:01 pm

Thanks, Dan.

This is pretty much what I was getting at. I recently read an article by a composer who likes to make different 'versions' of his tracks so he has multiple pitch options. For example, he will add some Christmas elements to have a Christmas version. That led me to wondering about the rights situation, since it's technically still the same composition. The writer didn't go into the details, so I thought I would ask the wise taxi forum folks :) I agree, you could try and get away with it, but I don't like being dishonest and it seems to be the consensus that it would be exactly that!
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:28 pm
Hi Anelda,
Also remember.. making a few tweaks here and there could make it a completely different track but like everyone else.. it's better to be safe than sorry!
The word "Lawsuit", is verboden when it comes to Exclusive Libraries.

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Re: Question about pitching multiple versions of a song

Post by DannyWeber » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:08 pm

roguenoisemachine wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:01 pm
Thanks, Dan.

This is pretty much what I was getting at. I recently read an article by a composer who likes to make different 'versions' of his tracks so he has multiple pitch options. For example, he will add some Christmas elements to have a Christmas version. That led me to wondering about the rights situation, since it's technically still the same composition. The writer didn't go into the details, so I thought I would ask the wise taxi forum folks :) I agree, you could try and get away with it, but I don't like being dishonest and it seems to be the consensus that it would be exactly that!
Just be careful, Anelda.. most of us write tracks that we have no emotional attachment to nor feeling for. It's a numbers game and the more tracks you have out there.. the better your chances of recouping some of your hard work and effort monetarily!

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We're all in this together with you Anelda! Learn all you can, while you can!!! TAXI is the BEST resource for that by far!!!!

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