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following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by funsongs » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 am

For what it's worth - it seems to be continuing dialogue - the conflict & contrast between fitting into 'proven' molds that succeed commercially,
v. 'do what is you' advice from the Mentors. Both of those points of view have been well-presented... even as recently as the 2019 Road Rally. Really.

Yet - it seems to be the narrowest of windows to be both innovative, creative, rule-bending AND break-through and stand out from the rest.
Very interesting debate - which can be frustrating when a critique is for NOT fitting in.
The on-going tension between NEW ART & current marketing.
"Be yourself, but conform and fit in with the rest of us." :? :shock: 8-) :P "Oh - and be '6 months ahead of the curve' ..."
push the envelope...
break the rules...
lead out...
follow your own compass...
chart a new course...
be a trend-setter...
just don't rock the boat. :? :shock: :o 8-)

hmmmm... :|
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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by ResonantTone » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:59 am

Interesting topic, Peter!

Both sides of the coin have been spoken to me as well... and like you said, some of them came from mentors at the rally.

For better or worse, I think the balance comes in the quality to originality ratio, if there is such a thing. In other words, if the quality of your stuff is high (whether it's production, songwriting skills, vocal talent, etc), it lends itself to one being able to have more originality and it be believable. If some of those things aren't all the way there, then the original characteristics of your music can be brushed over or looked down upon as another element that isn't up to par... when in reality, it might be very cool.

Regardless, I like the idea of pushing the boundaries that are in place. The trick is to do it jusssst enough to get people on board while still maintaining your originality. :)

Andrew

P.S. I was thoroughly enjoying the little jam session you guys had goin on in the lobby! :D

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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by CTWF » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:39 pm

ResonantTone wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:59 am
... if the quality of your stuff is high (whether it's production, songwriting skills, vocal talent, etc), it lends itself to one being able to have more originality and it be believable. If some of those things aren't all the way there, then the original characteristics of your music can be brushed over or looked down upon as another element that isn't up to par... when in reality, it might be very cool.
Very good point, Andrew.
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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:49 pm

ResonantTone wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:59 am
If the quality of your stuff is high (whether it's production, songwriting skills, vocal talent, etc), it lends itself to one being able to have more originality and it be believable.
I couldn't have put it better either Andrew....reminds me of this meme that was doing the rounds last month - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAFUV9DXUAA ... name=small

Says it all really. The main 'box' you need to fit into, or conform with is that of being high quality. You gotta know the rules before you can break 'em.

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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by DesireInspires » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:01 pm

If you are truly a composer you should have the ability to follow the trends and break the rules.

Each company you submit music to will have its own preference. Some will want to follow the pack and some will want to lead the pack. Write music for both. There is no need to limit oneself.

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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by Picardster » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:04 am

funsongs wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 am

Yet - it seems to be the narrowest of windows to be both innovative, creative, rule-bending AND break-through and stand out from the rest.
Very interesting debate - which can be frustrating when a critique is for NOT fitting in.


hmmmm... :|
Exactly!

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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by Casey H » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:21 pm

Casey's Rules of Songwriting:

(1) Follow all the "rules" of songwriting.

(2) An undeniably killer hook overrides #1.

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Re: following the trends v. breaking the rules

Post by Kolstad » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:14 am

If Im breaking rules, Im not aware of it. If I fit in, its not really intentional. I don’t really have different gears to calculate my music like that. I try to give it all I’ve got with each song and track, specs or no specs. Im a fan of doing it by intuition.

Its more a shoot for the moon and hit the top of a mountain type of thing, imo. You cant just be in a comfort zone, you gotta push it, all the time. Explore what you like, and try to make the most of that. What comes out of it may be just good enough to fit in, or it may sound fresh, or peeps wont like it.

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