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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by RPaul » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:59 am

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Thanks Rick. Yeah, my two biggest obstacles to overcome initially will be A) I'm old-school in recording. I don't have a DAW because I don't have a "computer", just a Chromebook, which mean I don't have the digital tools to do things like auto-correction, automated levels, etc. Just a 24 track with manual faders, and I have to get the recording right from the jump to make it sound decent. and B) I'm old-school, period. Meaning I don't listen to very much modern music at all, at least what's in the "mainstream". So everything I write ends up sounding 70s, 80s, 90s, or 'timeless', but not really modern/contemporary. From an artistic point of view that's not a bad thing imho, but I do understand that if I want to make money doing music commercially I'll have to adapt. Let's hope I can :)
There are pretty frequent old-school listings, so it may be just a matter of focusing on the listings that fit what you do best. In fact, one of the recent ones is for 70s/80s/90s rock ballads. My most recent forward was for one looking for "original classic adult contemporary songs" where the example songs came from the likes of Dan Fogelberg and Anne Murray. My entry was a song I'd written back in the late 90s, with a vocal I'd originally tracked for a 2009 album, but replacing the rest of the tracks to fit somewhere closer to a "Leader of the Band" style.

If you want to branch out into more modern stuff, I think you'll find it necessary to start listening to more modern stuff, finding what you like in that, and trying to learn what makes it work. I haven't had much luck on the modern pitches I've tried thus far, typically getting comments that the songs and/or recordings are dated sounding, so I've temporarily stopped making those pitches until I get a better understanding on the specifics (I think I'm getting to that point on the songwriting front) and, more importantly get to the point of being able to implement what I'm learning. Funnily enough, though, my other forward this time through TAXI was for an "experimental electronica" instrumental opportunity, using something I put together last time I was a TAXI member (back in 2010-2011) for a pitch asking for something in the style of Chemical Brothers. I didn't get forwarded then, and it was something totally out of my comfort zone (and knowledge area, though I did study a few of their tracks to try to understand them), but I figured the result might work for the more recent opportunity so gave it a shot.

If you find that the vocal pitchiness is getting you rejected for the kinds of opportunities you pitch, I'd suggest you'll need to either bite the bullet and get a computer and DAW and learn how to use them, or hire someone who can deal with that side of things for you, sending them your raw tracks to pitch correct and possibly mix. Of course, that, in and of itself, might be challenging if you don't have a computer to be able to digitize your audio tracks since you'd need someone who can deal with your format of analog recordings to digitize them prior to doing the work.

Of course, the other option (beyond finding a way to track the vocals without the pitchiness) would be to mainly pursue instrumental listings where vocals won't be an issue. It seems to me that there are lots of those available.

FWIW, I started out old school on the recording front, initially with a Tascam reel-to-reel 8-track (at least if you don't count some early going back and forth between two cassette decks during high school), then moving to ADAT, then finally to the computer. I've been using the computer for the MIDI side of things since at least the mid-80s and for audio recording probably in the last half or the 90s. Even in my early days of using the computer for MIDI while using tape for vocals, I could never imagine going backwards, and I'm way past the point where I could even conceive of it at this point. Perhaps you might find you'd also like it if you tried it?

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by wallypeterson » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:54 pm

Rick - I'm sure I would, once I figured it all out. It's mostly a matter of budget, but I'll probably have to bite the bullet at some point. Your stories are very helpful and give me more hope that I can do something here. I have actually collaborated with others online and had others mix things for me before as well. I just export the wav files and share them online with them. But I'm trying to not rely on that and get better at everything myself.

Thanks again for the examples and encouragement, I really appreciate it!

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by cosmicdolphin » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:29 pm

RPaul wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:50 am
That said, I wouldn't begin to offer an opinion on what would and would not get by screeners in that context, so it may be safer to do some tuning, even on recordings meant to fit eras prior to Autotune.
Unfortunately pitch is pretty much non-negotiable now in the era of Melodybe and Autotune etc. Anything that's off just jumps out a mile to the trained ear which is what you're dealing with. Screeners, Library owners, Music Supes, Editors are all listening to music all the time. Listings asking for Vintage Recordings obviously won't have the same criteria.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:06 am
Thanks Rick. Yeah, my two biggest obstacles to overcome initially will be A) I'm old-school in recording. I don't have a DAW because I don't have a "computer", just a Chromebook, which mean I don't have the digital tools to do things like auto-correction, automated levels, etc. Just a 24 track with manual faders, and I have to get the recording right from the jump to make it sound decent. and B) I'm old-school, period. Meaning I don't listen to very much modern music at all, at least what's in the "mainstream". So everything I write ends up sounding 70s, 80s, 90s, or 'timeless', but not really modern/contemporary. From an artistic point of view that's not a bad thing imho, but I do understand that if I want to make money doing music commercially I'll have to adapt. Let's hope I can :)
Honestly don't think your current setup is gonna cut it. You can get a cheap PC that's fast enough to run a DAW, and you can get a fantastic fully featured DAW for FREE by using the latest Cakewalk..or very cheap if you opt for Reaper.

Not many Libraries want 70s-80s-90s sounding stuff...some do but want vintage recordings. If you don't really listen to mainstream current music just watch TV for a week and note what music you hear on the shows.

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by nicotina » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:04 pm

Wally,

You can slowly make the adjustment to more modern sounds. My tunes sounded something like yours a few years ago, and I had a big shock when I started listening closely to the Taxi listings. I found that all my sounds were outdated, and it seemed impossible to change. But I find that I'm getting better at getting the sounds they are looking for. It's mostly a matter of A-B comparing the target tracks with your own. Capture a single note of the guitar from the target track and compare a recorded note from your guitar. Different tone? Keep tweaking your guitar till it sounds like theirs. That's probably how you learned to play like you do in the first place!

I agree with some of the other commenters that your life will be easier with a PC. If you can get one, there is a lot of good software that is free or close to free.

Welcome, and Best of luck to you,

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by wallypeterson » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:30 am

Thanks Vince for that great advice! I'll definitely put it to use.

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by eeoo » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:40 am

Hey there - Don't be too quick to dismiss your current set-up, kinda depends on what kind of music you want to do. Taxi member Richard Dance aka "The Crawdaddy" has had great success in the sync game and he uses some kind of stand alone recorder, no computer. Granted he does old school bluesy-americana stuff but there are def genres that your set-up should work for.

https://thecrawdaddy.bandcamp.com/

Good luck!

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by wallypeterson » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:59 am

Thanks EO, that's encouraging. A lot of my stuff would fall into the same category, broadly speaking.

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by jdkotaska » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:27 pm

I second what EO said. I have a Tascam DP-24 unit and it does everything you need to record live music, mix it, and master it to produce high quality recordings. I assume you have the same or something similar. You don't need any more than that to do what needs to be done for music production. Where it falls short is the simplicity of editing and working with MIDI instruments and effects. For these things its worth the upgrade to a computer-based system, but that comes with a price tag and, again, is not necessary to produce high quality music. I recommend continuing as you are for now and upgrading if and when you feel the need to do so. Good luck!

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by wallypeterson » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:06 am

Thanks Dean, that's the same unit I have. I've had it less than a year and am still figuring out how to optimize recording and production with it. Thanks for the encouragement!

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Re: Brand new here - Should I be here?

Post by jdkotaska » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:50 am

wallypeterson wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:06 am
Thanks Dean, that's the same unit I have. I've had it less than a year and am still figuring out how to optimize recording and production with it. Thanks for the encouragement!
Just throwing this info out there in case it might be helpful:

There are plenty of good videos about different aspects of the unit on YouTube, but I used this tutorial and it really helped me: https://www.amazon.com/Tascam-DP-24-Vid ... 008D2VA10/

I also printed off and read the PDF manual from the Tascam website and referred back to it as needed.

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