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Re: Confused

Post by cassmcentee » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:19 pm

Very Nice!
You still have some editing "Cleaning Up" to do...
The first "Peace", the P pops, it needs attention
Pretty sure it's most prevelant in the lower register voice on the right
And again on the first "Born" with the B popping
I noticed that that voice hit the final "Born" just right using a soft entrance to the B
That voice on the right also could use a touch of attenuation/EQ cut in that range where the pop comes from

The other thing that isn't working for me as a listener is in the Lead "Echo" voice that is introduced
While I like what it is doing I felt it scoop/flat one note in the first run
Then the timing felt a little bit off with the second or third phrase, might want to check it out for a little improvement...

Good luck on this wonderful rendition!
Cheers
Cass
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Re: Confused

Post by Robertj64 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:17 pm

cassmcentee wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:19 pm
Very Nice!
You still have some editing "Cleaning Up" to do...
The first "Peace", the P pops, it needs attention
Pretty sure it's most prevelant in the lower register voice on the right
And again on the first "Born" with the B popping
I noticed that that voice hit the final "Born" just right using a soft entrance to the B
That voice on the right also could use a touch of attenuation/EQ cut in that range where the pop comes from

The other thing that isn't working for me as a listener is in the Lead "Echo" voice that is introduced
While I like what it is doing I felt it scoop/flat one note in the first run
Then the timing felt a little bit off with the second or third phrase, might want to check it out for a little improvement...

Good luck on this wonderful rendition!
Cheers
Cass
Wow. Cass that is great. I will surely work on this. I really appreciate that great feedback. I will endeavor to take care of the pops and your other notes on EQ. I appreciate your time taken to listen!

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Re: Confused

Post by AlanHall » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:22 pm

Hey Robert,
I confess I just listened to the track for the first time now. I hope there's a Christmas Eve concert in the works, this piece captures the soothing lullaby aspect of the tune perfectly. Is it all you, or a group of singers? I couldn't hear much vocal character differentiation between the parts. It sounded to me like a Black Gospel choir, a perfectly valid style/genre. The first chord in the "all is calm" phrase does sound a little Beach-Boy-ish, and might push the style out from my first impression as church music. But that's just the way I heard it, don't take it for "gospel" :lol:

As far as production values goes, there are timing issues at the beginning and end of syllables; the thing that drives all choral conductors crazy. I'm guessing the screener feels that to be a current production, all that would be cleaned up in a DAW. It's fine as a 'live' performance - something to be expected - but on a recording it must be tighter, I'm guessing.

Thanks for sharing, it was a blessing to listen. I'm sorry I didn't take time before.

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Re: Confused

Post by Robertj64 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:32 pm

AlanHall wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Hey Robert,
I confess I just listened to the track for the first time now. I hope there's a Christmas Eve concert in the works, this piece captures the soothing lullaby aspect of the tune perfectly. Is it all you, or a group of singers? I couldn't hear much vocal character differentiation between the parts. It sounded to me like a Black Gospel choir, a perfectly valid style/genre. The first chord in the "all is calm" phrase does sound a little Beach-Boy-ish, and might push the style out from my first impression as church music. But that's just the way I heard it, don't take it for "gospel" :lol:

As far as production values goes, there are timing issues at the beginning and end of syllables; the thing that drives all choral conductors crazy. I'm guessing the screener feels that to be a current production, all that would be cleaned up in a DAW. It's fine as a 'live' performance - something to be expected - but on a recording it must be tighter, I'm guessing.

Thanks for sharing, it was a blessing to listen. I'm sorry I didn't take time before.
I appreciate the comments Alan. I will definitely try and clean it up. A quick note on the timing. I have had the debate before and sometimes the timing being slightly off adds to the art of the piece. If it was quantized exactly then it could stifle out the creativity flow of the piece *only to a certain point." That said, I do agree with you and it should be tightened up a bit. Yes the track is all me. Thanks for your comments!

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Re: Confused

Post by AlanHall » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:12 pm

Robertj64 wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:32 pm
I appreciate the comments Alan. I will definitely try and clean it up. A quick note on the timing. I have had the debate before and sometimes the timing being slightly off adds to the art of the piece. If it was quantized exactly then it could stifle out the creativity flow of the piece *only to a certain point." That said, I do agree with you and it should be tightened up a bit. Yes the track is all me. Thanks for your comments!
I agree about the flow of a living piece of music. (That said) I think I'd make a list of the syllable that really need to be clear, like "ch" or "t" sounds and fix the worst offenders - just a handful of spots - and then critically listen again. At some point the balance between 'musically perfect' and 'technically prefect' will be reached.

I listened through some of your other selections on SoundCloud. You do have versatility and vocal range to spare. Good stuff!

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Re: Confused

Post by Robertj64 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:05 am

cassmcentee wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:19 pm
Very Nice!
You still have some editing "Cleaning Up" to do...
The first "Peace", the P pops, it needs attention
Pretty sure it's most prevelant in the lower register voice on the right
And again on the first "Born" with the B popping
I noticed that that voice hit the final "Born" just right using a soft entrance to the B
That voice on the right also could use a touch of attenuation/EQ cut in that range where the pop comes from

The other thing that isn't working for me as a listener is in the Lead "Echo" voice that is introduced
While I like what it is doing I felt it scoop/flat one note in the first run
Then the timing felt a little bit off with the second or third phrase, might want to check it out for a little improvement...

Good luck on this wonderful rendition!
Cheers
Cass
Hi Cass
I wanted to thank you for your feedback and I think that the track is better overall in part by your advice. I listened to your tracks and your voice and clarity are amazing on Soundcloud. Well done! Thanks very much for your input. It was very valuable!
Cheers!
Robert
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Re: Confused

Post by Robertj64 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:15 am

AlanHall wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:12 pm
Robertj64 wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:32 pm
I appreciate the comments Alan. I will definitely try and clean it up. A quick note on the timing. I have had the debate before and sometimes the timing being slightly off adds to the art of the piece. If it was quantized exactly then it could stifle out the creativity flow of the piece *only to a certain point." That said, I do agree with you and it should be tightened up a bit. Yes the track is all me. Thanks for your comments!
I agree about the flow of a living piece of music. (That said) I think I'd make a list of the syllable that really need to be clear, like "ch" or "t" sounds and fix the worst offenders - just a handful of spots - and then critically listen again. At some point the balance between 'musically perfect' and 'technically prefect' will be reached.

I listened through some of your other selections on SoundCloud. You do have versatility and vocal range to spare. Good stuff!
Hi Alan

Thanks for your kind comments! I was curious as I listened to your ambient tracks. Have you found placement for them? I enjoyed listening to them. I really liked "Evening Sun". It has a mellow Pink Floyd feel. I also liked "My Old Coat". The guitar playing reminded me of CCR. It is a fun song! Your comments were helpful for me to fix up the "Silent Night" track. Many thanks for that!
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Re: Confused

Post by Ted » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:35 pm

Robert, I don't know much about the requirements for this genre specifically, but what the others have said sounds sensible-- I just wanted to add that I really enjoyed listening to this track quite a bit too. It's a bummer that you didn't get a forward this time around, but keep it up-- there's some good stuff going on with your singing.

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Re: Confused

Post by Robertj64 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:50 am

Ted wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:35 pm
Robert, I don't know much about the requirements for this genre specifically, but what the others have said sounds sensible-- I just wanted to add that I really enjoyed listening to this track quite a bit too. It's a bummer that you didn't get a forward this time around, but keep it up-- there's some good stuff going on with your singing.
Thanks very kindly, Ted. I think if we forge ahead, new opportunities will await us. Thanks again for the compliment!

Cheers,
Robert

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Re: Confused

Post by Steverino » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:57 pm

Hi Robert,

I just listened to your accapella version of 'Silent Night'. I thought that it was really kool (original, performed well, produced well), and had I been the screener, I would have forwarded it. This is a head scratcher as to why it was returned.

Best,
Steve

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