R.Kelly is innocent

[ibanez468]

Well, I'll tell ya' this, I've seen it (I actually have it), and it certainly looked like him (at that particular time). Cisk, can't say that I trust that the system was applied fairly in this particular matter. I say some folks got paid! He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. That don't mean he's not guilty. I know of someone who knows R. Kelly & produced an album of his, long before anyone knew who R. Kelly was. He claims he even taught Kels how ta' write (their writing styles are eerily similar). But I've also been told he's not the nicest, nor the smartest guy ta' be around. After listenin' to a few stories about him, I no longer held him in high regard either. I've known my source for over 25 years, and he's been in the business, so I'm pretty sure he's not makin' it up.Jun 16, 2008, 1:02pm, ciskokidd wrote:and only time will tell if he is truely innocent.Yup...well, we'll see. I don't know 'bout this cat! I think he's quite the "High & Mighty One" if ya' ask me, but ya' didn't so...Look at it this way, at least he wasn't sleepin' with little boys. I-468PS -- I know, that wasn't nice of me...

[prez]

Quote:Calling it OJ Simpson - like, seems a bit of a stretch tho. Nobody was killed.The reference to O.J. Simpson is only to parallel how someone who is guilty got away with it because a lawyer muddied up the facts enough that some people began to doubt what was in front of them. I can make a reference to another story but I'll reserve myself. Quote:How about you Prez?Yep. And since I now know better, I'm not about to condone those things just to be politically correct. Not gonna happen.Quote:We don't know whether or not that was him in the video because we haven't seen it .Sure have seen it. So guess that doesn't include me. Quote:all i am saying is if r. kelly goes down for that crap, then every 80's metal band, heck, every major rock star for a long time coming needs to go down with him, Child pornography was the major charge. If that's what they were doing with under age kids, then I agree. They need to go down.Quote: there was no chains on that girl, she wasnt kidnapped, at worst she was influenced, and sad as it is, that makes ALL of them guilty as hell too.Hmm. Spoken like someone who doesn't have children. The point is that she was not of age at the time of the crime. She was a minor. Along with child pornography, you can throw some statutory rape in there also.Quote:I'll be happy to meet any nerd at the front door with a shotgun, if he's stupid enough to ask out my daughter, before she's 16. And especially if that kid reminds me of myself! I have three boys. They are grown now and one is married. But every time they brought a girl home, they were nervous. Why? One word. Me. Quote:You have to trust that the system was applied fairly. It's not perfect, but it's the best in the world.True. But you don't just chalk it up as a loss and just say nothing when justice is denied. I feel it was in this case and obviously, many others do. What's right and just always supersedes whatever 'system' is in place.

[ggalen]

If you go to the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper site and read their investigative reporting on R. Kelly going back to 2000, you see a picture emerging.http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/kell ... rticleTrue, he is innocent until some jury somewhere declares him to be proven guilty.But there sure seems to be a lot of smoke around this guy going back a long time...I personally really suspect that there is fire in there somewhere.I am puzzled why he'd have women fans, given the lyrics and message of some of his stuff. I think David Chappell's parody of R Kelly, "I Want to Piss on You" was...interesting.

[nomiyah]

Jun 16, 2008, 1:02pm, ciskokidd wrote:Hey all,We don't know whether or not that was him in the video because we haven't seen it (at least I haven't) or any other evidence. The jury in this case was presented the evidence and obviously they could not say without reasonable doubt that R. Kelly was the perp. You have to trust that the system was applied fairly. It's not perfect, but it's the best in the world.You can tell by the blogoshpere that if it was up to the general public he would have been lynched in public. But thank God this is not Iraq where the man and the girl in the video would have been executed.R. Kelly was found not guilty on ALL counts by a jury of his peers. All I can say is that R. Kelly received a fair trial and only time will tell if he is truely innocent. CiscoCiscokid, I'm with you on this one. I just did jury duty last month and from what I know of the system, if the entire jury clears you on all charges, you're innocent. Isn't that what's so great about America's flawed system? Jury duty is the little part us citizens get to participate in. I don't care if R. Kelly is a nice guy or not, if his lyrics have a great message or not. If a jury declares him innocent on all counts, that's who's opinion I'm going to believe. It's not perfect but it's democracy at it's best effort. But you see how easily everyone prefers to believe the media hype than the court. Nomi

[ibanez468]

Nomi, I'm gonna' be as nice as possible about this, and I'm really not tryin ta' make any waves, but if that had been YOUR daughter, I betcha' you'd be singin' a different tune. I'm gonna' leave this one alone now.I-468

[milfus]

nah i totally get that, but that girl isn't coddled, I know there is a big diff between 13 year olds, but shes got some hustle, she knows how to speak, the girl doesnt strike me as someone anyone is really forcing into anything, I was the same way, by 13 i had it together, saying she was unwittingly victimized and almost insulting.my point isnt like, oh its cool, or whatever, I am just saying it isn't near bad enough to warrant the press coverage and the amount of crap levied against him. I don't have kids, but trust me, I empathize, I have given more than my share of beatings (taken some too) defendin honor and lookin out, I am not saying it should be allowed, but everyone acted shocked, like it didnt happen on a regular basis, and I wasn't excusing him, I was saying the standard needs to be set, cause its a common thing, so if r.kelley is a souless bastard, so is every other rockstar that did it with an underage girl, and I am willing to bet thats about.....80-90%

[nomiyah]

ibanez,If someone does that kind of thing to a child, they should be convicted and punished. In fact, I'm in favor of making the punishments for first-time offenders much higher, even up to death penalty depending on the case (sorry liberals, but it does scar for life). I think it's one of the worst crimes of society that keeps releasing predators to multiple victims. Do you understand my pov now? I'm just saying, R Kelly didn't do what he was accused of doing. And I don't get why people don't accept he didn't commit the crime. If it happened, whoever is guilty should pay. I don't know every detail of the case, too sordid for me. I'm just saying, R. Kelly is innocent. Not trying to cause a big argument or riot here.Nomi

[mojobone]

I think the point was made above that "cleared of all charges" and "innocent" don't mean the same thing.

[prez]

Exactly Mojo. It's like saying O.J. Simpson was innocent because he was found not guilty. You ask the majority of Americans and it was a miscarriage of justice. Same thing here. One thing about subjects like this is that people don't want to have a lively, intense debate about it because they have a built in "I don't want to get into an argument" radar. Rodney King complex begins to surface ("Can't we all just get along?). There's nothing wrong, neither will there ever be anything wrong with disagreeing with someone else and arguing your position. To present an argument doesn't mean you have to yell, scream, and get personal. It's presenting your view based on what's been presented. That being said, I believe he's guilty and if he wasn't who he was, things would have been different. Obviously, there are some who think that position is wrong. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their right to their view...even if it MAY be wrong. Door swings both ways. Some folks just refuse to look at the evidence because they want to believe what they want to believe and nothing will deter them from that. I think that's what we have in this case with the jury. I also believe something else was going on behind the scenes.

[ggalen]

Jun 16, 2008, 8:46pm, nomiyah wrote: I'm just saying, R Kelly didn't do what he was accused of doing. And I don't get why people don't accept he didn't commit the crime. If it happened, whoever is guilty should pay. I don't know every detail of the case, too sordid for me. I'm just saying, R. "Kelly is innocent. NomiNomi,Here's that link again to give you a perspective on R. Kelley's life to date.http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/kell ... articleYou may not have the time to read it all the way through. But I am wondering if you did, would you still be so sure R. Kelley has never had sex with underage girls, and is therefore innocent?An excerpt:"May 24, 1994: Aaliyah Dana Haughton—the 15-year-old niece of Kelly’s then-manager, Barry Hankerson—releases her debut album, largely written and produced by Kelly. The title: “Age Ain’t Nothing But a Number.”"Aug. 31, 1994: Kelly and Aaliyah are married at the Sheraton Gateway Suites in Rosemont by the Rev. Nathan J. Edmond of Chicago. He is 27 and she is 15, though a falsified marriage license puts her age at 18. Her family quickly learns of the match and separates the couple."